Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? (english below) так-с. по намёку посмотрел ФМ Fw 190 A-6. оказывается, она ничем не отличается от ФМ Fw 190 A-4. (ну разве что только ролл тяжелее на 4%). что я узнал: к моменту появления Fw 190 A-6 (~1943-08) для мотора BMW 801 D-2, который ранее работал максимум на 1.42ATA наддуве, на этом моторе разрешили 1.65ATA, но только ниже высоты 1000м (включая все предыдущие Fw 190 A). далее, 1944-02 разрешено 1.65 везде, и 1944-05 появляется Fw 190 A-8, тоже 1.65ATA везде. вопрос: кто может подробно объяснить чем отличается Fw 190 A-6 от Fw 190 A-4 по двигателю и по скорости? having question about difference between Fw 190 A-6 and Fw 190 A-4 i looked into FM and found out that there is no differences (the only difference is 4% heavier roll). what i knew out: at the moment of appearance of Fw 190 A-6 (ca. 1943-08), the charge of BMW 801 D-2 (with previous maximum of 1.42ATA), was cleared up to 1.65ATA (but only below 1000m altitude). in 1944-02 1.65ATA is cleared at any altitude, and in 1944-05 Fw 190 A-8 appears. question: who can explain verbosely what is the difference between Fw 190 A-6 and Fw 190 A-4 in engine and speed?
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? Top speeds are with MW50 (if available). Though I think the A-5, A-6 are not using MW50 in this data because it's not listed in the powerplant data. Even many A-4's didn't have MW50, I think. If you look at the last link in the bottom, you'll see Russian test flight top speeds, including one for the A-5(line #2), which at sea level attains 560kph (350mph), which is greater than the 332mph listed here. So I think the A-5, A-6 speeds listed here are without MW50, but in the chart in the link it IS using MW50(line #2 is with MW50 and line#1 is without MW50, I believe). Sorry if this sounds confusing. FW190A-3 Empty Weight: 7,345 lbs Normal Takeoff Weight: 8,377 lbs Top Speed, altitude: 391 mph TAS @ 20,000 feet MSL Top Speed, Sea Level: 332 mph TAS Powerplant: BMW 801D-2, 1700 HP for takeoff FW190A-4 Empty Weight: 7,379 lbs Normal Takeoff Weight: 8,381 lbs Top Speed, altitude: 416 mph TAS @ 20,000 feet MSL Top Speed, Sea Level: 361 mph TAS Powerplant: BMW 801D-2, 1700 HP for takeoff, 2100 HP with MW50 methanol-water injection FW190A-5 Empty Weight: 7,689 lbs Normal Takeoff Weight: 8,721 lbs Top Speed, altitude: 392 mph TAS @ 20,000 feet MSL Top Speed, Sea Level: 332 mph TAS Powerplant: BMW 801D-2, 1800 HP for takeoff FW190A-6 Empty Weight: 7,566 lbs Normal Takeoff Weight: 8,598 lbs Top Speed, altitude: 398 mph TAS @ 20,000 feet MSL Top Speed, Sea Level: 343 mph TAS Powerplant: BMW 801D-2, 1800 HP for takeoff Source: (click on 'certified specifications' for each variant) http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/fw190/ I know its a commercial company, but they seem very reputable. Check http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/fw190/aircraft_source_data.htm to see some very interesting source data, including test flight data
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? 1.other game is not a good source. 2.mw-50 was very disputable when we discussed it a time ago here, afair
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? that source sez P-40D-20-RE can take one bomb up to 1000lb. imho it's a mistake. clearance for central hardpoint does not allow to put 1000lb bomb there.
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? Source is not another game, but game is modelled after that data they researched, which is how any book is even published-research. Even flight data charts can be biased/wrong. But you made your point, if I go to the library, I will look up some books.
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? US tests: A4 speed http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/918/13kn.jpg A4 climb http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/6858/22cr.jpg BMW Engines: BMW801 http://hometown.aol.de/HoHunKhan/BMW801Turbo.jpg BMW801D Performance without petrol injection (July 1942) http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/bmw801d-1024.jpg
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? Russian A4 test: http://www.simcentrum.com/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=41 (.pdf) US tests: A4 vs. P47 at low altitude: http://forum.virtualfighters.net/docs/P47vsFW190.pdf A5 vs. f6f3&f4u1d: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/markw4/index1.html A8R http://history.virtualfighters.net/files/370.jpg 190s http://history.virtualfighters.net/files/fw190_loadout-chart.jpg http://history.virtualfighters.net/files/FW190/FW190armor.pdf A8 http://history.virtualfighters.net/files/FW_190A8graph.jpg
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? the design diferences of fw190, fw190 dora and ta 152... but the diference of fw190's series i don't know
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? -exec- if you have access to it, could you please enable "real triggers" option for all 190s?, now only available for a-3, a-4 IIRC. Now that I'm at it, an alternative "real triggers" with less or no 7mm, would be cool as well, the amount of 7mm 190 carries is insane.
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? the question of joining guns on trigger raised with very different guns, such as mg 151/20 and mg ff/m, which have quite different trajectory and quite different ammo. mg 151/20 fires all ammo during 16s, mg ff/m 7s. fw 190 a-6 and fw 190 a-8 have mg 151/20 in both pairs, centerplane and console, with almost equal ammo, and i don't understand why do you want to separate them.
Re: Fw 190 A-6 > Fw 190 A-4? Well you know, having guns in cowl/wing root has the important advantage of negating convergence issues, i. e. about the same concentration of fire at all distances. I like the long range of the wing root cannons, but if I have to waste half the weight of fire to get a chance it's not such a good idea. (Thats one of the reasons I always fly 190 light, the other is Typhoon ). The only reasons I like the current setup (that I never use) for is for killing paras, scaring or finishing a con without wasting 20mm in the rare occassions you can. Maybe a workaround that leaves everybody happy, if possible, could be leave a "2B" slot with just 7mm. I ask for introduction if it's not great effort on your (or whoever) part, just I was seeing how many proposals you are making on other threads, it encouraged me to post what I think. BTW, just in case you think I'm not being picky enough, I also think the "real triggers" should be the default option, so that when you release ordinance you still have it, but I see my opinion lost the poll anyways.
