scenario "Decisive Strike", Golds discussion

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  1. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    scenario "Decisive Strike", Golds discussion

    List of the pilots:
    Me-262 9x drink-, bc----, -ada--, mixer-, frost-, lgoski, buraty, wortmn, -illo-
    Bf-109K4 5x mrbond, buenau, chip--, hjm---, --zh--
    Bf-109g6/r6 forbidden
    Fw.190a8 forbidden
    Fw.190d9 forbidden

    comments:
    1. mrhope, sebbo leaves
    [updated: 15.08.2003 20:34 GMT +02:00]

    Possible participants:
    * 54) gunman Me-262
    * 55) gmrick Me-262
    * 76) sundvl Me-262
    * 77) virgil Me-262
    * 78) spaceb Me-262
    * 86) -gott- Fw-190

    Leaders:
    CO (primary 262 leader): mixer-
    secondary 262 leader (or the leader of 2nd 262 group): bc----
    cover leader (109k): buenau
    backup cover leader (109k): none

    Pairs:
    1st pair 262: mixer- (RW), Igoski (?)
    2nd pair 262: bc---- (no voice), frost- (?)
    3rd pair 262: -ada-- (?), drink- (?)
    4th pair 262: buraty (RW, TS ver?), wortmn (?)
    5th pair 109k: buenau (no voice), hjm--- (?)
    6th pair 109k: mrbond (?), chip (?)
    7th pair 109k: --zh-- (?), ______
    8th pair 262: -illo- (?), ______

    Instructions:
    1. Each 262 pilot have hit the bombers by R4M rox in offline. We will have only 4..7minutes for attack. All instructions for training you can see below. Unfortunately there is need to hit 3 or more R4M rox at online to kill the B17G bomber. Anyway we can damage bombers by R4M rox.

    2. I am pre-assigning the pairs. Please check your pair number. If you wanna to fly with another pilot or going to change plane or in the case you have the voice software please indicate this ASAP.
    All 190 models and 109g6/r4 are forbidden for using in scenario. Only 262 and 109k.

    3. Will be good if somebody can make the dedicated RW server.

    English:

    Ufortunately the rules has been changed. Now reds need only to close the fields to win. me262 will have only 5..7minutes to intercept the bombers.

    All 262 pilots have to practice in offline to hit bombers by r4m rox. Use .salvo (4, 6 or even 8), try to hit at max distance range d8+. To practice you have to make the following:
    5.1. FHL -> offline
    5.2. set the starting altitute to 22000 ft
    5.3. chose bomber ambush
    5.3. wingmans = 0
    5.4. AI skill = veteran
    5.5. write command .offbombers 8
    5.6. write command .offbombermodel b17
    5.7. write command .otto b+ 4 b++ 4 b- 0.5 rg d8 ac 3
    5.8. chose 262 50% r4m rox
    5.9. .fly

    Russian:

    К сожалению правила были изменены. Сейчас редам нужно всего лишь закрыть поле для победы. У 262 будет только 5..7минут на перехват бомберов.

    Все пилоты 262 должны практиковаться попадать ракетами в бомбардировщики. Используйте .salvo (4, 6 или даже 8), дистанция - как можно дальше (d8+).
    Для практики необходимо следующее:
    5.1. зайти в оффлайн
    5.2. установить высоту для старта 22000 ft
    5.3. выбрать bomber ambush
    5.3. wingmans = 0
    5.4. AI skill = veteran
    5.5. .offbombers 8
    5.6. .offbombermodel b17
    5.7. .otto b+ 4 b++ 4 b- 0.5 rg d8 ac 3
    5.8. chose 262 50% r4m rox
    5.9. .fly
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2003
  2. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    1. I'm rdy to fly as leader or wingman. Voice: RW only
    2. I offer the bc---- for CO
    3. Sure, training :)
    4. Very bad skills now
    5. Preferable time for 1st training:
    12 AUG 2003, 19:00 GMT +02:00
    12 AUG 2003, 21:00 GMT +02:00
    13 AUG 2003, 17:00 GMT +02:00
    13 AUG 2003, 19:00 GMT +02:00
    13 AUG 2003, 21:00 GMT +02:00
    6. Impossible for me.
    7. I'm testing the Me262 for climbing/distance for now.
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    CS data for Me262 rox 100% fuel, using .speed 279mph:
    Code:
    Alt
    CS (m/s)
    
    500	1000	1500	2000	2500	
    21.34	28.35	9.75	21.03	15.24	
    
    3000	3500	4000	4500	5000	
    13.72	14.33	10.67	10.97	10.36	
    
    5500	6000	6500	7000	7500	
    7.32	8.84	7.62	6.1	5.18	
    
    8000	8500
    4.88	4.27
    
    Distance passed for Me262 rox 100% fuel on climbing:
    Code:
    Distance,  Alt, m:
    miles:  
    20         3300
    40         5400
    60         6800
    80         7900 (got 75% fuel)
    100        8700
    
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    Me262 100% fuel, rox, reach:
    3000m in ~4 min
    5000m in ~7 min
    7000m in ~11 min
    8000m in ~15 min
    9000m in ~19 min 30sec
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    Many thanks to Stefan. We got airstart at f4 and f9 for testing. Just have testing b17 vs 262 with drink and ada.
    Please everybody write when you can participate in the training.
     
  6. Buenau

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    bc. пойдешь в лидеры голдов? Чего молчишь? :)

    Mixer, я постараюсь 13-го быть на ТА после 19:00 по Москве.


    Надо решить, какова будет роль Карлов в сценарии.
     
  7. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    Историческая - прикрывать me262 во время взлёта ;)
    Тактику предлагаю обсудить во время сбора на ТА.

    Ау голды? Давайте сегодня соберёмся:
    13 AUG 2003, 17:00 GMT +02:00
    13 AUG 2003, 19:00 GMT +02:00
    13 AUG 2003, 21:00 GMT +02:00
     
  8. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    Климб p51, дальность я сегодня постараюсь померять для p51 c 0 до 7км.

    Buenau, к тебе предложение измерить и сравнить климб у bf109k и p51 на высотах 6..10км
    Напомню, на ТА сейчас f10, f4, f9 установлен авиастарт 8..10км

    Предложение просчитать маршрут b17 остаётся в силе (нужно время и высота на ~5 точках маршрута). Кто готов пролететь по маршруту бомберов на b17g 500lb 40%, записывая время и высоту, к примеру через каждые 20 миль?
     
  9. buraty

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    А я читал, что этим Доры занимались. Даже раскраска иногда особая применялась (снизу красный и белыми полосами), чтобы свои зенитчики не покоцали.
     
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    P51D testing complete.

    CS data for P51D 100% fuel, using best climbspeed:
    Code:
    Alt
    CS (m/s)
    
    500	1000	1500	2000	2500	
    20.12	13.41	14.02	14.63	14.33
    
    3000	3500	4000	4500	5000	
    14.63	13.72	10.97	9.14	8.84	
    
    
    5500	6000	6500	7000	7500	
    8.53	8.23	8.23	7.92	7.01	
    
    
    8000	8500	9000	9500
    6.1	4.27	3.66	2.13
    

    Distance passed for P51D 100% fuel on climbing:
    Code:
    Distance,  Alt, m:
    miles:  
    20         5800
    40         7500
    60         8900
    80         9600 
    
    WEPOUT at 3.8km, WEP time = 250sec


    P51 100% fuel, reach:
    3000m in ~3 min 20 sec
    5000m in ~6 min 30 sec
    7000m in ~10 min 30 sec
    8000m in ~12 min 40 sec
    9000m in ~16 min 10 sec
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2003
  11. Buenau

    Buenau Well-Known Member

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    Я мерял не клаймбспид, я мерял ричтайм. Итого.

    109К4

    от 0 до 4 км (с WEP) - 2:50 (далее без WEP)

    5к - 3:38

    6к - 4:28

    7к - 5:24

    8к - 6:21

    9к - 7:42

    10к - 9:32

    (до 9 к возможен клибм без полочек, установки CS от 145 до 170 по нарастающей (как начинал заваливатся). На 9К дистанция от поля составила ~20 км.

    p51D

    от 0 до 3 км (с WEP) - 3:58 (далее без WEP)

    4к - 5:19

    5к - 6:51 (удаление 20 км)

    6к - 8:43

    7к - 11:28

    8к - 13:45

    9к - 16:30

    10к - 22

    (каждые 3 км делал полочки, установки CS от 165 до 190 по нарастающей (как начинал заваливатся). На 9К дистанция от поля составила ~50 км.
     
  12. big-jo

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    someone said in international forum golds had all places occupied, but i don t see that, then i wanna fly a8 :)
     
  13. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea why organizers have no english version of the Scenario register page:
    http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16293

    Check out my free translation:
    The P51 and gold recruitment are stopped. If you have * in your nick status you have to change the plane/side or wait your order in turn. Too many golds/p51 for now.
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    To fly for golds you have to be noted without "*" status. The "*" status means you can be assigned as b17, Li2 or (your prefarable) p51 if nobody chose b17 :)
     
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    Re: scenario "Decisive Strike", Golds discussion



    I opted for the D-9. But hey, I don't mind :)


    1. I prefer to fly wingman. Only TS2 for me.

    2. Definitely NOT me!

    3. No R4M's on my plane. I can hit planes with them, though.

    4. I ain't good at it, but sometimes I do score kills that way.

    5. 13 AUG 2003, 19:00 GMT +02:00
    My preferred time!

    6. I haven't got a second system I'm afraid
     
  16. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    Re: Re: scenario "Decisive Strike", Golds discussion

    Thanks for reply.
    Do you know how many time 190a8 or 190d9 need to get 6, 7, 8km? Do you know what is the best alt for it for p51 vs 190 dogfight?
    Mb the 262 or 109k will be better sollution for you?
    Are you able to install RW?
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    2buenau:
    Many thx for 109k testing. The climbspeed is really good. IMHO the 109k will be best cover for me262.
     
  18. drink

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    Я могу толко в 17:00GMT у мена это будет час ночи
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    17:00 GMT +00:00 это и есть 19:00 GMT +02:00 ;)
     
  20. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    1st briefing to be at 19:00 GMT +02:00 today 13 august 2003.
    Please all golds try to be at TA at this time.