tonight( and i see this all the time) at 18 a jeep spawned after i dove to close field so i didnt vv him so used both bombs not holding 1 for jeep since troops running and didnt want to miss. after drop i climb up chk 6 and see jeep back behind me. okay im il2 with 37mm anit armor guns. first pass 1 37mm landed in jeep nothing 2nd pass 2 37mm in jeep nothing jeep still moving, not burning even, and still shooting, but i 25mm criples me for the 190 i was dodging while straffing jeep. great fh joy. if jeeps suposidly "jusitfiy planes like il2 and ju87g" then why the fuck do there 37mm anti armmor wepons have less efect on armor the 20mm or even 12mm??? ive never killled a jeep with 37mm even when it was a one hit kill deal!! 7mms use to but 37mm wouldnt so we got heavy armor to justifiy our ground straffers, but dont straff anything cause your much better off using 37mm to ho and defend agains cv comm raids wooo hoo for relesim. 37mm jeep bug needs to be adressed, plz admins stop ignoring this bug. why take a il2 with 2 bombs and 37mm if 37mm are usless? fucking stupid bug, makes il2 fucking stupid, and leaves me fealing pissed and fucking stupid for ussing it as a ground assult plane in first place.... my time would of been much more productive and fun had i simply took the 190 in ho,s abusinge the il2s inteanded use for the cannonl and not ussing it at its real job since its more a super hurri then a anti arrmo plane. heel if i was in hurri jeep WOULD be dead... fucking uslles gun on usless plane.
Re: aniti armor guns ulsses for intend porpose no idea wht that means... but i apoligise for all swearing above. it was a rude post, srry i was pissed. but plz try to adress this 1 37mm should rip jeep in half
Actually the ?jeep? was intended as a 1/2-track, based ?very? loosely off of the German WW II Wirbelwind; hence where the original idea for the old IEN drink (flakpanzer oil) came from. Unfortunately it was a working idea that was never fully completed, but it?s smaller cousin ?the jeep? was deemed fit enough to fulfill the role. It has always been under-gunned when compared to what it was originally intended as, and since we are discussing it, here is some data on the Wirbelwind. Gun 4x20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 (3200 rounds) 1x7.92mm MG34 (hull mounted 1350 rounds) Now understand that HMACK is supposed to be ?very? effective, and the randomness of having a human controlled AAA, adds to the over-all realism. This is not to say that Hmacks are fool proof, they are at a strong disadvantage even ?if? given their originally intended gun(s) and armor. For one they are very slow, they can only traverse their turret at (x) degree per sec, and like all armored vehicles then and now, are weak from above. To add flavor to this post, below is the data for the Gun and the Wirbelwind. GUN DATA: Calibre: 20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 Elevation: -28 ° to 90 ° Muzzle Velocity: 900 m/s Range: 2200 m Rate of Fire: 220 to 480 round/min Traverse: 360 ° Weight: 276 kg Weight of Shell: 0.119 kg CONVERSTION: The range converts to the following 7217ft / 2405yrds / ( D24 WB Range) WIRBELWIND ARMOR: Front Turret: 16/25 Front Superstructure: 80/10 Front Hull: 80/12 Side Turret: 16/36 Side Superstructure: 30/0 Side Hull: 30/0 Rear Turret: 16/12-22 Rear Superstructure: 20/11 Rear Hull: 20/9 Turret Top / Bottom: open Superstructure Top / Bottom: 12/85-90 Hull Top / Bottom: 10/90 Gun Mantlet: 10/round
So why doesnt a jeep get destroyed with 1x37mm? like gryphn said- its ridiculous. Tank busting with the ju87g is as laughable as 7mm peircing the pilot armor of a fw190f8......lol, wait, both of these are true in FH...crazy world.
It can be looked upon in many different ways, the most notable being is that you did not hit anything of importance with the round, but made a nice hole in the side armor, or simply the angle of the hit was such that the armor "rejected xxx rnd" as is the case many times. What follows is a little information that you may or may not find useful. The M4, 37x145mm had the following real-life specifications. Projectile-weight: 680gram Gun-weight: 96kg Rpm: 140 m/s 580 muzzle velocity (initial) You can note that the initial muzzle velocity in m/s is slightly higher than that of the Germans Mk108 30x90mm cannon, and the effective hitting power was much higher due to overall shell weight; however in FH the exact opposite is true. Anyone who doubts this needs to only take both plane types out sporting the weapons systems and fire them at like targets; in this case use a nice fat hangar. The 30x90 parts more overall damage to the target with fewer rounds than the 37x145.
Just some FH foul play. But just a thought- I know 2 different rounds were used on the mk108 cannon " i know not so much about 37mm flak" but the one was a shell loaded with as much explosvie as possible- and 4-5 hits would DESTROY a b17 on external explosions. The other had less explosive and was intended to blow up in the fuel tanks- less explosive, thicker shell, and a fuse that goes off when wet......I suppose this would also apply to the blood of hitting a gunner or something....morbid aint it.
/ i think this is the most usfully informing reply ive seen to bug or how come reqwest ty. i didnt relsie tinny little jeep 3d model had that many damage zones. i thought it was 2 of them and figgered 37mm should splash damge the zone it missed. so lesson of story is that only bombs or rocs are efectively viable options to kill and live to brag about it. as for 30mm and 37mm, i use to wondered. it always seemed 110 g4 and 190s had easyer time straffing hngs and such (like cv escorts ) ( then a il2 did straffing hrd trgets with russin 37mm. i assumed it was rate of fire.
Blood of a gunner would not set it off. The shell in question was an incendiary with a hydrodynamic fuse fitted. It was designed to start a fuel fire in the tanks of the target aircraft, as by this time during the war armor kg weight had increased dramatically; which makes the random hit fuel fires by most weapons in FH complete nonsense, but oh well; Insert Coin. <S> The second round (M-shell) contained 85gr of explosive fitted in a very thin case. It could destroy a B-17/24 with only 5 hits, provided that it did not exploded before penetrating due to the thin case. The muzzle velocity of the weapon was very low as has been pointed out. The shells were almost quiet literally ?lobbed? at the target, or the Cannon was not used until very close range at very high-speeds, which could and did result in many mid-air collisions.
The information provided above on armored-zones was for the Wirbelwind, not the actual FH jeep which was initially intended to be a Wirbelwind, but never completed. Rox, and Bombs are the most effective methods, however Guns do and can work often enough. You have to hit "The Gunner" to achieve a kill, and this can best be done very literally from diving on the hmack from directly above, as the current Hmack cannot target an aircraft at 0dg pure vertical.
Yes the 75-mm T13E1 cannon is very effective in that role, and is actually under-modeled in FH as well; surprising isn?t it. The T13E1 had an initial muzzle velocity of 720m/s, higher than both the M4-37mm and MK108 30mm! It was usual bore-sighted to 1000yrds, though engagements with the cannon normally began at 2000Kft.
tzebra- sources clearly says that mk108 shells had fuses that were to go off when contact with liquid was made- what you explain is more of a luck by tracer hit kind of deal. but whatever- stick it up your but ok...stick it up your but isnt as smooth as insert coin, but it sounds more intelligent
Yes, as mentioned earlier the fuse was hydrodynamic. Thin blood vessels do not contain enough to activate it, especially at 500m/s, you need more liquid volumn, something in the range of gallons. Also the shell was not explosive, simply incendiary.
A have a little example I like to use- Ever seen what happens to a kid who accidently shot himself in the head with a .22 pistol? Even if not a hollow point shell? The bullet isnt explosive, but I wouldnt much call that a face after the fact...
That is the result of KE transference and liquid dynamics, not an incendiary round with a hydrodynamic fuse designed for use against fuel-tanks inside of an airframe. hp (hollow-point) was created to apply additional wounding through purposeful fragmentation inside of the initial bullet cavity, with hopes of increasing the chances of damaging vital organs or arteries.
Interesting since I am an American, and no one in any business that deals with explosives goes by that phrase unless they created it themselves for their gaming group, or just because they think it sounds cool. There are two primary types of explosions, high order and low order. C4 and stick charges are high order, dynamite and ball powder is low order. The hydrodrynamic fused round was not explosive but an incendiary (ref: the chemical phosphorus: chemical symbol P.) The one you are looking for with this round is "white phosphorus P4O10", which when fired is converted to the colour red / orange by the heat produced through firing (greater than 250c), and is highly toxic, and very combustable. Perfect for igniting a large tank full off 100 octane Av-Gas. The catch-22 is, it must pentrate the metal-skin, airframe, and tank itself to work as they advertised. The Very low-velocity of the Mk108 meant the pilot had to get very close to make this happen, exposing himself to point-blank defensive gunnery fire. The second round used for the Mk108 was the "M-shell" using a low order 85gr explosive; but was not incendiary.
