Poll. Settings for 12..13mm guns

As you know last 2 weeks we have new settings for 12..13mm guns on MA.
These settings are conrolled via LETHALITY1 parameter which have effect on weight and energy of a bullet.

Now LETHALITY1 is set to 1.7 on MA.

We are asking to vote and say your opinion what we have to do with this parameter for the future? Should we decrease this parameter or not?

Please vote here: http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30050

We have to note, that right now we had set new parameters on TA.
Now we have LETHALITY1 set to 1.4 for testing purposes.

Everyone can compare current МА settings (LETHALITY1=1.7) and current ТА settings (LETHALITY1=1.4).

PS: you can enter TA only via proxy.

 

Decrease. Didnt test TA, but flew couple times F4F. Did 5 kills/sortie with 70x12mm gunstat. Average 30x12 to get a kill. 60-70 for 110. Lethality 1.4 or less.
Too powerful now. Have good comparison, because long time i ago flew a lot F6F.
Unfortunately DM has been changed (gover's & other).
3 years ago it was needed to get about 50-60x12 to get a kill.

 

For me is fine as it is.

 

1.7 is fine. From every WWII video I know that just a single burst could set a fighter on fire.

 

I think that 1.8 or 1.9 is more exact ...

 

whine will start when Corsi enter MA

 

For those who want a realistic game:

In 1942 or 1943, (I can't remember right now) the U.S. Navy did a study to compare firepower of different guns, and they decided that it took 3 x .50 caliber machine guns to equal the firepower of 1 x 20mm cannon.

American scientists decided that considering the weight of ammunition, amount of ammunition (trigger time), and ability to damage aircraft to the point where it was no longer a threat or completely destroyed, the 50 caliber gun was the weapon of choice in many applications. This is why you see 50 caliber guns on every american plane in WW2. .50 caliber machine guns were very effective against enemy fighters especially. Only takes 1 round to kill or wound pilot, or destroy a vital part of the aircraft.

Also with 50 cal guns American pilots could shoot long distance, they like to do this, it was safe way of attacking and lots of ammo with 50 cal guns too.

Trivia : The old saying "The whole nine yards" was an expression used by american pilots in WW2 to describe the amount of firepower they used. The ammunition for 6 x .50 caliber machine guns in American fighters laid out on the tarmac was 9 yards long.

 

na szczescie juz nie latasz, to nie bedzie az tak zle

 

U.S navy was facing mainly Jap aircraft. The 0.5 rounds used only incendiary ammunition or AP becouse Jap planes were easily lightened up. No HE warheads mean shear relience on kinnettic energy 4 dmage. So on greater distance they would be less efective then 20mm shells with HE. 0.5cal had probably better balistics but were much less effective at long range.

Over Europe all the sides tryed to switch to 20mm as soon as they realized that 7mm and 12mm rounds were not so effective. 12mm rounds were particularly weak against buffs. But on FH the best way to shoot down buff is to use lots of spraying with 0.5cal at ranges over d6 which is bull shit imho.
So probably all sides were wrong to use 20mm but only the Yankies had enough brain to use 12mm.

My vote is to dramatticaly decrease 12mm relative effectivness at ranges over d3 (if it is possible at all).

 

True, 12mm against buff is the best option on FH.
The worst option is 37mm. You have to go very close, hit some 8x30 to get a kill.
And you have out of ammo (if you survice close attack coz).
With 12mm, you start shoot ad d6, and d3 is nothing left in front of you
And tou lose some 25% ammo hot some 60-120x12mm.. its nothing.
Multiple gun hits disables ottos as well

 

I used to snipe buffs with p39 (and its 37mm cannon) from d8. 1 or 2 hits usually kills ottos and vstab/hstab. If buff trying to turn, well, this is another story. But if it is flying straight I see no problem with 30/37mm...

I have never used pure 12mm fighter to shot down buff. To finish off after several 20mm hits, yes.

 

bylem w ostatni piatek, nawet od cziterow zdazyli mnie nawyzywac
szkoda ze zapomnialem jak sie laduje

 

Yet another "polished" thread.

 

yeah that was just a personal remark

you're on a need-to-know basis, and you don't need to know

 

That could compensate all other fucketeered threads

 

Shut up and gimme my skunk ballz!

 

P47 pilot John Oliphant says this:

"After escort missions, it was easy to "get lost," go to the deck and use the plane's eight .50-caliber machine guns and ammo to their best advantage. A touch of the trigger would cut an enemy plane in half, tear out an engine, or cut off a wing; it would leave a truck loaded with soldiers with nothing recognizable; it would knock the tracks off tanks; and it could cut through a tank's steel right over its engine and set it afire. A squirt of armor-piercing ammo drilled two- to three-foot holes at water lines to sink barges; it would destroy the front of a train engine and wipe out the rails; it would cut off a train's front wheels, topple radar towers and wipe out a parade ground of soldiers."

Later in the war he flew P51. (6 x .50 caliber is fine, don't need 8 )

 

Is this like being punk'd or something?