Ju88 gunnery review

Discussion in 'Game bugs' started by _strafe_, May 28, 2006.

  1. _strafe_

    _strafe_ Well-Known Member

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    I've read some books about Ju88 series and realized it need some fix here.
    Ju88A1 late versions and Ju88A4 had 2 rear gunners not one like IEN/FHL model. It could be hard to fix graphics, but the rate of fire should be increased to fix lack of one gun.

    Ju88A4 has more armour and his gunners/crew had a good protection. Nowadays its very eay to kill all gunners with .303 or 7mm. very often rear gunners has been killed when Ju88s are getting hits from below his six, not up or in same flight level. The gunners don't have to be so easy to kill.

    Ju88A4 has Mg81Z in ventral gondola, the rate of fire is far better tha Mg15, it has to be fixed too. Check .rar file found in that link below. Pay atention in armour gondola and rear gunners armour too.

    No doubt MG81Z/J had much better effectivess than Mg15. It has to be fixed too.

    I made a file and uploaded it for those who interested to see how Ju88 used to be.
    http://rapidshare.de/files/21635269/Info-Ju88.rar.html

    Reference books:
    -Junkers Ju88 in Action part-1 ; pages 12,20 and 23
    Aircraft number 113 Squadron/Signal Publications
    ISBN-0-89747-201-2
    -Junkers Ju88 Monografie Lotnicze #4 ; page 44
    ISSN-0867-7867

    PS. exec pls take look that link.
     
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    1.afair two rear up guns are MG 15 for Ju 88A-1.
    WBFH now has 1x MG 15.
    can be replaced by 1x MG 81Z.

    2.afair one rear down gun is MG 15 for Ju 88A-1.
    WBFH now has 1x MG 15.
    imho question closed.

    3.afair two rear up guns are MG 81J for Ju 88A-4.
    WBFH now has 1x MG 131 (as some real version i forgot index. A5?)
    can be replaced by 1x MG 81Z.

    4.afair one rear down gun is MG 81Z of MG 131 for Ju 88A-4.
    WBFH now has 1x MG 81Z.
    imho question closed.

    MA-DM is out of my competence. i make only TH-DM.
     
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    btw, tx for link. will dl it asap.
     
  4. Gunther

    Gunther Well-Known Member

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    Can you discuss the issue (DM - gunners killed very easy), rate of fire, etc with FHL team?
     
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    thnx to read my post exec. I hope it could help to improve the FHL.
     
  7. bulldg

    bulldg Active Member

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    Strafe, is there any info on the typical bomb loads?

    I am thinking the number of 50kg in the bomb bay are too many, but have not been able to find any written evidence of it. I do have for CFS2 a Ju88 by K. Malinowski that has loads such as:

    10 50kg
    10 50kg, 4 250kg
    10 50kg, 4 500kg
    4 250kg
    4 500kg

    Is there anything to back this up?
     
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    88 has two bays, forward for 18xSC50, rear for 10xSC50.
    FH modelled Ju 88A-1 with only forward bay (due to maxload limit)
    and Ju 88A-4 with both bays.

    according to WoL, maximal loads of A-1 are:
    4x SC100 +28xSC50
    4x SC250 +10xSC50
    2x SC500 +10xSC50
    on the other hand, WoL gives the same loads for A-4...

    the trick is that 50kg is enough for ack, and it is half of 100kg.
    therefore, bombers with 100kg as minimal calibre (Il-4, Pe-8) kinda suffering low bombs quantity.
    actually, i don't know why B-24 can carry too few 45kg bombs (B-17 has tiny bay)
     
  9. RolandGarros

    RolandGarros Well-Known Member

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    i have a book by a Ju88a-4 driver.
    i forget his name, but he was a 'big shot', leader of KG51 at one point (maybe 'snorf' was his name, i forget it exactly). anyway he wrote that the largest load his a-4 ever carried was 2250kg, but that limit was for him only & official limits on combat loads were 1500kg max (of course this was ostfront, probably no 3000m runways out there in 1942)