Ok, ADmins, You always bitch and whine , so, lets do tests together. I am not programmer, and even if i was one, i wouldnt program russian planes to be ubber anyway. So, the only way i can help , i can offer to test planes with you. Lets test TOGETHER, all of u r invited. Just dont cry if u dont want it , just dont cry and dont ban ppl like letez.You all behaved like self-centered bitches, and then cried when u get response. The only problem i see here, is, problem with History. And idea about game. So, ppl leave fh not because of me, but because of ur IDEA, and ur HISTORY. Ill give u all a little example to show why everything gets more fucked with every new version. So, i talked and argued many times in arena with my friend Krok ( u all know him) about fh and everything . Once we were argued about russian lavockin and its uberness. So i told him that lavockin got new dynamics, which is too good, compraing with what it used to be in 1.66. So we started test. Horizontal turning LA7 with YAK3. Results of tests were that la can , even with flaps on, turn easy with yak3, and that after some time yak3 cant follow la7 anymore. Krok laughed, and said he will talk to admins. So i think, tnx god finally some russian will tell them. So, do u think Krok was thinking about la turning too good?? No! He said YAk3 needs to be improved!?! Same thing happened when he saw 109 not being able to run by climbing from la5. Hey, not 190 , i talk about 109!!!! HE just said 109 needs to get improved climb?!?? WEll, i dont know much , but let me tell u something. I get sick in my stomach when i see Wurge flying yak3 in test arena on MOUSE. Yes, i get sick. On mouse. What his yak can do on mouse. It can FLIP like fuckin i16. Remember, la7 according to russian tests, could fight 190D 50-50%. Exactly that was like in fh 1.66. U could have fought la7 from dora, and u could win if u were that good. So, no, i dont think game can be improved by constant improving fighter planes, especially not russian ones, while F6F is flying like cow, and no one can fly it easy. While u can fly russian planes , easy. And be ace, easy. And kill all buffs with that ubber shvak of urs , easy. No, i dont want improved 109, nor 190s, i just dont want it cut it either. But u cut 190s speed, even if 190 was not good in 166, even if it was able to bnz only when a3 appears, then 2 months after. But u improved lagg3!!!! Twice!, With guns once, then with new dynamics !!! Every idiot can fly lagg3 now. Is that HISTORY? No, important is FAS wants to destroy p38 because he saw what it can do. But yak? No , u dont touch it for worse, only to improve it. And my new sqd name doesnt bother FAS, until i close field, kill jeep, kill him and kill finger in his ass, read uncle. Then he starts writing in blue letters that he warns me for my sqd name. Only 5 minutes before we reached reset, with closed big field, he writes that he will kick me out of arena. WEll, if u need help, many players will help with tests. Many. Just dont test it with some russian dweebs, just because u all have some stupid problem with english language. Like u are all retarded and we will notice if u come to international forum to discuss game. My english is not any better than urs so grow up. In the end, last poll made by admins, was here to show to admin that he was right , that no one will play on fh 1.42. Well, that is constructive thread? Like if there were 50 names for 1.42, u would actually switch to that version? Cmon we r not that stupid.
Boa, pls more shortly, and more informatives. Plane name speed at 50m/1km/2km/3km/4km/5km - more alt - if you want all - 75% fuel Turn-rate, sustained. 1 km alt, max 50m deviation, no flaps. If want - flaps/no flaps. Climb-rate to. All data - compile to table, and post here and send to developers. If you see incorrect results and have historical data (confirmed) - wery good, compare and wright to table.
I'm sure you already have all the tables for all planes, with corresponding sources also? Well you must have at least those tables and sources concerning the recently changed FM's right? Well why don't you publish them? It's a lot easier to find errors in something you can actually see and compare with your results. It's a worse idea to tell us to compile a table with sources for every plane we think is wrong and then to send it to you guys. First of all because you almost never reply, or update any topic. Second, if we found that our data is correct with your data, we wouldn't have to submit it to you, wouldn't flame about it, wouldn't waste your time, we would just shut the fuck up and leave you in peace. Only concentrate on the things we actually found were wrong. You can either actually care and HELP US HELP YOU AND THE GAME, or you can continue with the usual "find sources and send to developers" shit, pretending you even give a damn. Kopi's efforts are here: http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26379 http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30746 Is what he did there not enough? I'm waiting for those tables of yours, it's easy to copy and paste.
Demian. If you are not correctly understood me ( maybe i have some stupid problem with english language) , I can explain : I talked about correcting the model flying Yak-1-Yak-9 with buggy tailspin. Everything was done correctly. Yak-3 as far as is known generally untouched and nobody was going to. The only thing in earlier versions of the fighting Yak-3 against Ki-84 were more interesting - Yak won on verticals and was worse in the horizontal. Then Ki-84 improved FM and weapons. PS please enough to talk in that style with the developers, of course if you like this game and want future for FreeHost WB. krok.
Interesting conversation with exec, read from this post: http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?p=479462#post479462 This is what happens when you guys are provided with data. Why would anyone else waste their time?
No. No have. Only 25 planes, fighters. Speed charts only. About 20 test i'm, himself. P38, F6F testing by another players. Export data from game without online test - impossible. post my speed-chart table... hm... you have preinstall russian fonts? ps rename speeds.txt to speeds.xls
hey fas, the fonts are no issue (I use Open Office seem everything and jiddish is preinstalled, lol ) but the words I need some bablefish here "Як-9т по самолетостроению --> Yak 9T by aircraft construction" "Як-1 по "самолетостроению--> Yak 1 on the "aircraft construction"" Do you mean these figures are from the factory? As official figures from the manufacturer? Thank you for sharing ...other question to webadmin/admin: Will the java speedsheets be updated with newer planes and new speeds? Or is this part of the website that was lost for updates when scores crashed? Thanks.
Як-1 по "самолетостроению" - in context mean - Yak-1 data from "Airplane-building in USSR 1917-1945", TsAGI. This is basic source for many _soviet_ airplanes. But no one. see first page from book (in attach) data - from testing mass-serial planes, not prototype or standart for series. For yak-1 also used data from monography - "Первый Як" - "First Yak", by Stepanets
this parts have, but contain old data, which check exec, just fliing on all planes, on some altitudes with write log, compile results and collect data. for correctly data need recheck all planes on new launcher and compile log result.
this was beaten by illo. and this was beaten by presslufthammer. good start, but he chosen not to improve his investigations. several times said before. .startlog <climbtest> alt 100m .speed <climboptimal> throttle down to gain climboptimalspeed autotrimonspeed adjust throttle to avoid altitude oscillation throttle 100% climb until the very ceiling when no more alt is gained dive .stoplog chart log with excel apply historical climbrate publish log, excel chart with two graphs plotted .startlog <turnrate> alt 1000m flaps off turn as tight as possible without changing alt make at least 6 rounds, 3 of them with constant speed level .stoplog chart log with excel apply historical turnrate publish log, excel chart with two graphs plotted
"soviet aviation industry 1917-1945, vol.2" central [in ussr] aerodynamic and hydrodynamic institute [TsAGI]. tsagi pub 1992, 1994. isbn not assigned.
Yeah, let's test planes together. Here's a track of a dogfight i had with visloa today. It's too bad the stall horn doesnt come through in the track, though i can assure you i was working pretty hard to put my zeke through its paces. It should not have been so difficult to down visloa's la7, but then again there's a lot of things about FH that shouldnt be the way they are. I dont think he's a cheater, he's just exploiting the characteristics of the FMs here. He's always been a spit9 dweeb, but it appears his latest thing is the LAmer treatment. And i stand by my words, referencing Top Gun: It's a little different here, though: he's found a plane that can cash the checks his ego writes. Yet even then he sometimes has overdrafts in that department. I'm being bitter and I know I'm venting, and I've made peace with the fact that this probably wont change anything in the long term, but i know visloa watches - and that makes it all worth it.
I have to agree with gandhi. His track shows what is happening when u fly A6M (3, 5) and fight LA-5 and LA-7. I'm not here to criticise, but IMO (zekes didn't fought LAs on WWII) the turning ability of A6M was far superior of that LA, and even w/o flaps, the Zeke could outturn LA. I know I'm not an 'experten' but VISLOA shoot me down (A6M) with his LA too, and with a hi angle of turn (far higher than 60º) and he was slower than me, near ground, and he didn't even stalled!! I'm here to help in what is needed, I'm currently helping at TH, I can help u admins here.
Maybe the La series is suddenly so much better in turns is the same reason the zeke suddenly was so much better turning than the 153. Funny how the admins responded to the squeal of the zeke players.
La-7 must have 18,5 sec sustained turn. How have zero? But - i agree and confirm, la-5fn, la-7 now have uncorrect turn-rate, 16-17 sec for 50% fuel load. Now i'm make new FM for this planes. FYI - la's have uncorrect parameters climb-rate, all models - 3200fpm But La-7 must have 3650fpm, La-5f/fn - 3450 fpm. 3200 - it's data for first series La-5 - simple conversion planer LaGG-3 from M-105P licuid-cooling engine to radial ASh-82 air-cooling engine. I think - la-7 and zero _can_ have equal time for turn rate, but not equal radius of turn. Speed on turn for La-7 around 300-310 km/h TAS at 1km alt. Zero can turned at more slow speed, and have smaller radius. For all - just remember, soviet's planes makes for low-alt combat, (up to 4.5-5km), and an-mass air-war over USSR have alt 0-4000 meters (typicaly 2-3 km, and for Il-2 - low alt, some hundred meters). Except MiG-3. Compare with Battle for Britain, or air-attack thousands allies bombers, more 7 km alt. At low alt - soviet planes objective better. But high altitude - germans, british, americans planes - more impressive, russians... not. On arena, an mass combats - low altitude (Eastern Front). If any take Yak-9d and try dogfighting with 109 over 4 km alt - yak a sucks. Spitfire just break to small bits any soviet plane at 6 km alt. But... we not flying at 6-7-8 km alt, we flying at low alt.
Uhu, so the La-7's climb rate will be 'fixed' in the next update. (I wonder how that will affect its turn performance ... hmmm, now that's hard.)
