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  1. mcgru-

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    As the agreement supposes a good will оf the parties, then It's betrer not to name "agreement" something what is not shared. This would help to avoid such a strange constructions like "non-shared agreement".
     
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    Nevertheless I understand what you wanted to say. Increasing of gas prieces may seams as non-shared agreement. But this is not true. It's shared. In your constitution its written that people in your country respect free business initiative. So also you do.
    And many things like that.
    So most non-shared like things actually are agreed by default if you obey your constitutuion.

    Constitution is a constraint agreement. How they call agreement written down on the paper? Contract?
     
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    Another approach is to ask what is the difference between when people interacts under the State and without the State?
     
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    @pakman @-Shai-

    Let us assume that you lease a car from a bank.
    You then decide to stop paying the lease installments and keep the car.
    What are you called?
     
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    Orphans?
     
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    Thief?
     
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    First, your analogy is incorrect from the beginning. State's regions are not in lease relationship to the State. It's partnership, cooperation.

    Second, If you ment that people lease the territory they live at from the State, then you're so much in delusion.
    People that leave at land is true owners of the land. And only after people are agree to live in State the land includes into State's border.
    If you dont believe me ask Scots.
     
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    I was speaking about what your Aeroflot did (with help of your government)... not about what Russia did :)
    You've just nationalized planes that weren't yours.
    And it was pointless anyway - cause they won't be serviced (and thus insured).

    No one will be willing to borrow you a penny from now on.
    Let's wait till your state treasury bonds mature on Wednesday.
    But I guess you can kiss your 130 rubles per dollar goodbye... gonna be more than 180 if you default on Wednesday.
     
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    But Ok, let's take your lease concept.

    Here need to add some. The bank board has been illegaly changed. After that the bank one-sidely added to lease contract that Shai has to switch his gender because bank board members are all switched.
    What would you do if you are Shai?
     
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    You have already stall our central bank reserve that was not yours.
     
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    I wish.
    But it's not us.
    It's US and UK.
    No big Forex exchanges here.
    None of your reserves here.

    All we can block is the Kaliningrad Oblast, if you keep asking for that.
    There are already hundreds of pissed off people trying to block the route from Belarus to the Oblast, but the Polish police is doing its best to keep that route open (and also the western supplies to Belarus) - detaining dozens of protesters today.
    The Lithuanians are already blocking theirs IIRC.
     
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    1. you are wrong: not nationalized, but changed the jurisdiction from Bahama to Russia.
    2. you are wrong: it is not about personal car, it is about strategic transportation - in early 2000th govt believed that West will not do such foolish things like stopping insurances and services. So almost all civil aviation became west-dependable and West now has been used that possibility to deny almost ALL air-traffic.
    It is like all roads are owned to some person and that person denies to use roads - will you use road to drive your car from home to work/shop? (i'm sure you will without permission from road-owner - because you'll remember your "IT IS DIFFERENT!")

    who will keep their reserves in US, UK and EU banks and treasuries from now and on? only AUKEUSJP will.
     
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    guys -like- if you agree.
     
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    frog, Germany asks to "not to send" refugees from Poland to Germany ... :)
    or "it is DIFFERENT"? :D
     
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    i do not agree with Solovyov's words without context.
    I havent heard about "we will not stop on Ukraine" from "speaking heads" from russian govt.
    All i've heard is december 2021's proposal to return NATO's border to positions before 1999. But this does not imply "military actions" on those NATO countries (Baltic, Poland, etc), without some additional context.
    That context is information on "additional forces in that countries".
    Now we have some kind of status quo - Baltic is in NATO, but there are no large NATO bases there.
    If any additional NATO forces will be sent into Baltic - that will be a kind of casus belli in todays environment. So, NATO at least should stay calm and should neither enforce their allies in Baltic nor expand to Finland.
    Better (and more fair way) - to revert NATO memberness of Baltic countries, Poland, etc - move NATO forces back to Germany. That's all.

    P.S.
    i do not like Solovyov, because he behaves like Zhirinovsky - too much emotions and radical opinions - it is not the way Putin use to think.
    But some amount of health sense still exist in their words.

    P.P.S.
    if it is a true with Solovyov's villa confiscation in Italy - then his nervous behaviour is understanded.
     
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    also, the documentary "Putin" of A.Kondrashov

    Part I
    (2h)

    Part II
    (2h)

    to understand what is the basement of Putin's decisions.
    but there are ~30% of content is a kind of biography.
    1.25x speed recommended