Big problem of our times is that information we can see is very filtered, with very different filters. Evaluation of events became as religion. I believe in one sources, you believe in your sources and sources of opponent is seems totally bullshitting. What seems to me is that "Bucha massacre" doesn't existed. I have too many confirmations from other sources (that is solid FOR ME) that it is lie. Lot of fakes from Ukraine and even from Europe, lot of reportages and friend's evidences about how behave russian and ukrainian soldiers. But you believe to other sources, and other friends and reportages - and it gave you totally another picture. We cannot check what is true, we can only believe. And belief is very hard to change, we only hopes that our belief is true. Let's not to kill each other at least
what subject we discuss? 1. some videos show fake dead bodies performance 2. some videos show live people (meeting NGU 2-3.apr) that certainly not aware about lots of deaths 3. strange dead(?) body locaitons 4. two days between RFMF leave and NGU enter 5. other photos with dead people with tied hands 6. space photo of graves, excavations of bodies. on 5: who are that killed persons? where they were killed? (it's very believable that banderlogs could bring them from other places) were they pro-banderlogs or pro-russians? on 6: in case of RFMF graved that bodies: who are that killed persons? how and at which conditions they were killed? were they pro-banderlogs or pro-russians? DO YOU ALREADY KNOW ANSWERS?
Hugo, also, we read news like that: https://glagol.mirtesen.ru/blog/430...zaderzhali-pod-Kievom-vyisokopostavlennogo-so and very often they are supported with photos and videos (in various Telegram channels). So the question: why russian forces DID NOT killed that "SBU-officier" (with lots of weapon found with him), but killed that civilians? what is the idea of spending ammo on that civilians? what for they presupposedly were accused and then executed (as example, by russians)? why then "angry russians" executed non-combatants but did not killed every combatants ? Please, answer for me.
At least we both agree that every variant is possible. It could be Ukranian propaganda and also russian war crime.
Believe or not I havent answer for all these things, I'm making my own picture from media as well as You. But if You want, there is czech article about some of your questions with better video. It answers to some of the Russian questions: https://www.novinky.cz/valka-na-ukr...&utm_medium=z-boxiku&utm_source=www.seznam.cz I know the soldiers are capable of doing such a things. Did you hear about crimes against german citizens in post-war czechoslovakia? I personally met some germans remembering these times...
Obviously a historic fan and artifact collector. He lost his hair in soviet gulag. There is no neo-nazi connection here!
Because commanding officer could be totally different. And mainly because I still believe that Bucha massacre is an exception, not a common russian procedure.
Nah, it's a kid's toy! Just like a little dolly nearby. Ukrainian kids would learn the appropriate ideas straight from the cradle. You could even play Auschwitz death camp with these toys. Just imagine how cute it would be!
W h at about Mariupol? Rather that not an exception too??? All city almost devastated! Nazies from Azov killed a dozens of combatants ant civilians! But Russian forces (not DNR one!) still take medical care on nazies!!!!!! Also, what did Russians in Bucha all March days before they left? 20 days!!! Is it still not enough to reveal who is enemy among civilians and kill them in more comfortable environment? Why kill in a last day???? Also, there are about 10 bodies on road sides. Imagine how killer could drop that bodies from vehicle? How people were killed? .... Ummmm a lot of questions. Let's discuss! Отправлено с моего M2004J19C через Tapatalk
So you believe in what your state controlled media is telling you? As opposed to hundreds of independent and affiliated journalists, that not only aren't controlled by their governments, but usually expose their vices? Our sources aren't the same. And I don't think we're the same, as societies, in terms of media literacy. And I think Putin is very happy about that. The international media is much different from the one 10 years ago. A lot more independent journalists, a lot more cross-checking of facts, a lot of OSINT. War journalism, since Syria, got to new heights. A lot of factual information, so it's based on data, not on interpretation, speculation or rumors.
First, I do not believe to state-controlled media, I use different sources, controlled and not-controlled, and ukraine-controlled media, doing cross-checks and all this shit. I see what I see. Second, do you believe in your "totally free, uncontrolled" media? That says about chemical weapons in Syria and other interesting things? You will be surprised I think ... There is no one to trust...
Who dug mass graves on March 10th? Who was there on March 10th? Are you a complete moron, or just pretending to be one? There are satellite images of first these graves being dug on 10th, and then gradually filled till 31st. SICK BASTARS (sorry @miixch for offending animals in my previous post)
So, the russian soldiers had 20 days for torturing and killing, digging mass graves and let bodies rott. And You are basically saying that Ukranians well arranged all of it in one or two days only? Transporting already rotting bodies from parts of Ukraine, hide them against more or less 20+ foreing reporters, dig graves and explain survivors, what to say. IN TWO DAYS, am I correct? There are always doubts, but after You said the Russian soldiers were there for 20 days, Im more confident for blaming russians soldiers. Do You at least know the name of commanding officer there?
And you believe in what YOUR state controlled media is telling you? which media lies? Answer: 2+2=? i'm waiting 1 minute. no answer? well, you're a moron. prooved.
