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  1. Flk

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    Редкостная бредятина. Или вам это регулярно вливают?
     
  2. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

    Ilia Panov aka Weeper Well-Known Member

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    Да это наша писательница. Пытается под Довлатова писать, только с плохим юмором. У неё всё плохо :D Вот прям вообще, вот прям всегда. Они не в курсе что "всё плохо" у нас как жанр.
     
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  3. Flk

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    Не удивился бы, если в тексте было и про "последних ежей доедаем" :) Тем не менее текст на английском - целевая аудитория соответствующая.
     
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    Well, did You hear about "confirmation bias"? It is widely spread but less known effect of selecting informations, which fits into Your image.

    In the west, we are in the influence of confirmation bias. We dont need censorship. We select only informations which fits into our own image of Russia.

    The same is with our news, there is practically no censorship, but our topics looks strongly pro-ukrainan just because people want to believe they are on the right side of conflict. More readers of the article, more money from advertisement, so our media feeds the basic need of readers and amplify the confirmation bias effect.

    Maybe it is different in Russia, maybe there is a confirmation bias accompanied with good and deep propaganda.
     
  5. Flk

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    Тогда понятно. В основной массе это везде так. Но большинство на этом форуме (я надеюсь) предпочитает не слепо верить новостям, а опираться на первоисточники. Особенно это касается новостей из-за рубежа.
     
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    You have an advantage, You know there is a censorship and propaganda in russian media... but lack of censorship and state propaganda in our media makes us believe that the news are objective and independent. Most of us truly believe that our point of view is more trustworthy but we simply forgot about confirmation bias illusion.
     
  8. Flk

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    Alas, the absence of censorship and propaganda is an illusion.
    But the Russians have not taken anyone's word for a long time. Including our news.
    Even in the famous war film, this is played out: "Nowadays it is impossible to trust anyone, even yourself. It's possible for me!"
     
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    You wrote totally inversed!
    In Russia - no censorship, in western media - a lot of cs. Why RT and Sputnik are banned? .

    But propaganda is everywhere .

    Отправлено с моего M2004J19C через Tapatalk
     
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    RT and Sputnik are banned since 24.2.2022 and today You commit a crime if You support russian invasion. Czech government applied some form of censorship in these days of special operation. But before then You could support anybody, write anything and even make policical carrer funded by foreing nation.

    The problem wasn't censorship, these pro-russian guys had a problem to widely spread their opinion because it was simply not interesting for maiority of citizens. So they added another topics like anti-system, anti-imigrants, anti-vax, core-christian, conspiracy, etc.
     
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  12. Flk

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    If you're amused by this Orwellian nonsense, then you're sick.
     
  13. Crimso

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    Нацизм - это вообще-то не только угнетание евреев нацистами, это угнетание одной нации другой. Что там с русским языком и русскоязычными людьми на Украине?
    И зачем совершенно не воинствующей стране понадобилось столько вооружения и инструкторов из Европы? Я имею в виду ДО нападения. Укрепрайоны под Донецком, например.
    НАТО обещало что-то Украине, кроме подкидывания ПТУРов и инструкторов? Что и с чьей помощью хотела Украина спросите у Зеленского...
    Что было причиной чего? Не потому ли Россия "случайно" стянула войска, потому что узнала о планах Украины? Впрочем, тут можно только гадать.
    Это я не знаю. Спросите кого-нибудь еще.
    А Донецк это не свои граждане? Или им только конфеты ракетами забрасывали эти 8 лет?
    Отучаемся говорить за всех (с) Старое фидошное правило. К тому же эвакуация через линию фронта заведомо опаснее, поэтому туда естественно пойдет меньше народу.
    Если бы в домах не сидели "защитники" с пулеметами, ПТУРами и т.д. - то можно было бы назвать город мирным. Но кто-то решил, что гражданские - хороший щит...
    А что они могут сделать с автоматом против власти? Вот дали тебе автомат, и что? Идти к дому правительства, выяснять, где там Зеленский и просить проводить к нему?
    Все? А что я такое читаю в телеграме, например "Инсайдер Украина", "Медуза" та же?
    Ну да, цензураы нет. Только журналисты с "неправильными" взглядами пропадают...
    Нет, не так. Сначала подготовили картинку, а потом вызвали журналистов.
    Тех людей точно кто-то убивал. Но вот кто - для многих вопрос остается открытым.
    Они не предполагали, что надо все так тщательно документировать. Это проеб, да.
    О да, в России же собачью будку не купишь (кстати, на том видео с будкой на самом деле кожух генератора, который везла с собой техничка).
    В гробу я видел таких нерусских друзей...
     
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  14. Crimso

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    Хочу добавить, вся эта серия "вопросов" состоит из набора лжи, передергиваний и тупых лозунгов.
     
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    Да не стоит и бисер метать. У них своя правда, а у нас сила в правде.
     
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  16. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

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    There's a viral joke circulating the Polish Internet, so called "paste":

    "- Got your position in the army for half a pig, and a basket of eggs

    - You were quickly promoted, as you fetched vodka to some important general, and then was able to keep drinking with him

    - At last you were given command

    - Due to similarities in surnames you were promoted to a general

    - And given your own army

    - And you're a living a dolce vita, you earn like a software programmer - 150k rubles a month, and get another 150 for what you sell in the black market

    - You are ordered to train your people

    - But you don't know anything, so you order them to run in circles, scream and shout

    - New tanks arrive, with some sophisticated systems

    - You order them dismantled and traded for vodka

    - Finally they move your army to the Ukrainian border, for exercise they say

    - They order you to form batalion strike forces

    - You don't know what they are

    - Yet you report that you did

    - The exercises take longer than expected

    - By that time you fed the black marked with enough equipment to buy you a nice dacha near Moscow

    - Finally there comes the order ending the exercise

    - Your are happy as you open it, only to read "DEVELOP ATTACK FORMATION. MARCH ON KYIV"

    - You check your map of Russia for the position of Kyiv

    - Your adjutant explains that its the Ukrainian one

    - whatthafuck.jpg

    - You move your troops, the adjutant explains that a Specnaz troop took some important airport at Kiyv and your task is to cut a corridor and connect with it

    - You don't understand a word of it, yet you tell your soldiers the exercise is still on, and the first ones to reach the target will get a crate of vodka from you

    - You run out of fuel in the middle of your way

    - Now you remember you've traded your fuel for vodka

    - You wait for the tanker trucks driving in your supply columns

    - The tanker trucks also run out of fuel, left stranded in the field

    - You get the intelligence report stating that the paratroopers no longer exist, and you are to storm the city

    - The fuel finally arrives

    - So do the Ukrainians

    - Your soldiers are decimated

    - You order them to do what they were trained for

    - So they run in circles, scream and shout

    - You send your tanks to counterattack

    - Now it is evident that what you once sold was the optics

    - The tanks spray their fire. Doing more harm to their troops than to Ukrainians

    - At last col. Tankov routes and orders your tanks to retreat

    - Your tankers do not know the directions well, so they start to run... towards the enemy

    - The Ukrainians are so scared, that they start to fall back

    - You get a medal!

    - In the future "your" brilliant manouvre will be named after you, and taught at the Chelyabinsk Military Academy

    - Yet you still loose all your tanks, as they fail to stop after the "victory"

    - It's time to dig in, you report that your assault has failed

    - The supreme command orders you to await for reinforcement from the Potato Tsar of the North

    - Time to drink and wait

    - A month passes, you still enjoy the gold rings the gypsies traded for one of your last tanks

    - But you're hungry

    - And just looking at your military rations (Exp. 2015) makes you vomit

    - You would kill for a Big Mac

    - Desperate enough you call friends to send you a Happy Meal with their APC

    - They say that all McDonald's are closed nationwide

    - So you order Drvalov Sandwich at Uncle Vanya - with a consistence of Bacon wrapped in roofing felt (but that's better than you 10-year old rations)

    - The adjutant is running towards you, waving his hands, shouting: "GENERAL MOONSHINE, DO NOT USE YOUR PHONE, TRIANGULATION"

    - You can't understand a word of that

    - An explosion, the adjutant's hands are still waving... some 200 metres apart

    - You get your posthumous hero of the Russian Federation title, and your name is the new brand of off-licence stores"
     
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  18. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

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    This might offend someone if you weren't underdeveloped :D
     
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    So why do you choose to offend me instead?
    I'm afraid the joke above pissed you off, because it well describes (albeit in an exaggerated manner) all what troubles your army.

    There's no mention of your tactics though.
    It seems that the Russian tactic now resembles banging your bare head against a wall... just hoping, that the wall will break at some point.
    You will get nothing but a terrible headache by continuing to do this.

    You should better retreat to your cave, forfeit Crimea and Donbas and lick your wounds.
    But you are stubborn enough to keep banging.
    And immersed in your propaganda so deeply, that you will blame anyone else for the huge hangover looming on the horizon.

    Even Germany decided to supply tanks and AA systems to Ukraine now.
    I guess Polish and Slovak T-72s are already there.
    Amies and Canooks are sending their 155 mm howitzers, together with guided munitions.
    The "we should better not tease the Russian bear" aptitude from March is all gone.
    You will suffer and this will be pointless, self-inflicted suffering on your part.
     
  20. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

    Ilia Panov aka Weeper Well-Known Member

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    We in Russia do not like political correctness, if we see an underdeveloped person, we say that he is underdeveloped. Not meaning anything offensive, this is a medical diagnosis ;)

    Let's save each other time and you'll just start spouting your nazi shit about race of slaves.