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  1. -frog-

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    Medice, cura te ipsum!
     
  2. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

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    覺得你的拉丁語聽起來更聰明?
     
  3. -frog-

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    Nope - I just happen to know Latin (I've studied law).
    And I see that you have finally come to terms with what's coming to get you.
    You started to learn traditional Chinese!
    Good for you!
    Soon half of today's Russia will be speaking Chinese!
     
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    Some kind of a EU support program for the underdeveloped? I must admit, I'm impressed... Not with result, but still.
     
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  6. hugo baskervill

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    Well, another interesting point from Russian oposionist:


    And yes, I know, it's the confirmation bias and only one side of the coin.
     
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    Oh man :D I must translate it to the czech language :D
     
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    Ilia Panov aka Weeper Well-Known Member

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    His whole speech starts with lies. I'm sorry but I won't listen to it.

    That happend in Odesa. Before pro-russian guys take some admenistrative builings in Donetsk region.


    Fifty dead and no investigation. The so-called "pro-Kyiv demonstrators" were brought in from the western regions of the country.

    I have already shown how the armed forces of Ukraine came to calm down pro-russian activists. There were some calming headshots from AK to unarmed crowd.
    If you want to listen this bullshit, go on. Your choice.
     
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    It is understandable, RF annected part of UA country and pro-ukranian citizens see pro-russian minority as a traitors and a threat.

    Even I will hang pro-russian politics and supporters if RF will attack my country and these bastards will still supporting them.

    And I believe the same process will be there if western country army was heading to Moscow and there will be any pro-western activists in RF ;)

    Man, there is a war!
     
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    You seem to be running around here with slogans about democracy, and now you are ready to hang your opponents? What a wonderful transformation.
     
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    And you seem to be retarded.
    Maybe that's the reason, why you try to complain about your interlocutors "being underdeveloped"?

    I did study law.
    I did PhD in another discipline (and that "just for the sake of it", as I run my own business and needed that for my satisfaction alone).
    Live with it... retard.
     
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    Democracy is not a rule of a people, as it advertised, it's a rule of democrats.

    And woe to the vanquished.
     
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    Thanks dr Zoidberg, but it seems you already used more than half of it.
    Retarded crustacean.
     
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    For now they are opponents...
    If they are colaborating with enemy siezing my country they are traitors.
    Some of them are still hoping they will rule one day when Russians come. They don't see that coming, they don't see they will be hanged days before arrival.
     
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    Wow o_O

    So if the Soviet authorities sent troops to Ukraine in 1991, when it became known about Ukraine's intention to secede and fired at the protesters, would you say the same thing? Why can't I justify Armenian genocide for example with your arguments?

    I foresee your argument about some kind of occupation from which they were released. Let me just remind you what the map of Ukraine looked like without Russian intervention.

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    My country has some similarities with Ukraine.
    Modern Czechoslovakia was established in 1918, in 30s Hitler argumented (quite successfully) it is artifical state without its own nationality, formed with germans, austrians and hungarians.

    To Your question. Partly yes, if SSSR was interventing in 91 I will not be happy with that, but Im not calling it occupation.

    But we are talking about events in 2014, independent Ukraine exists already 23 years.
     
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    Is that strange that I don't belive in your words?

    That is why people living on the territory of Ukraine cannot discuss regional autonomies or declare independence? And coup can happen only in Kyiv? o_O
     
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    Yes, and they can even raise their weapons to be independent, but...

    There is a difference between fight for independence, which can or cannot be successful. And interfering with this fight by sending soldiers, small arms and even heavy weapons to separatists.

    IRA wants independence of GB, their fight is legal
    Basque can fight for its independence, it is legal
    Chechnya obviously can also take a fight to be independent

    You can like or dislike any side and even fight them, independence is worth fighting.

    But Donbas is quite different not because they are fighting, but because they were heavilly supported by RF.

    As the fight for independence is legal, also fight for state integrity and sovereignty is legal too.

    Ukranians have right to use army against separatists and the west was not helping them.
     
  20. Ilia Panov aka Weeper

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    I see no reason why Russia should not have supported the Russian-speaking population of eastern Ukraine after what happened in Odessa and other cities in the spring of 2014. Britain bombarded Irish cities with heavy artillery and aircraft? Famous Bloody Sunday in Derry takes 14 lives, the events that took place in the east of Ukraine, which you have never heard of, took thousands of lives. But you ok with it.
    And since you're here declaring the principles of non-intervention, didn't the Western countries support the coup in Ukraine? Or are these facts still unclear to you? Why did the West arm Ukraine for all 8 years that the negotiations on the east lasted? Because they wanted to settle the process through diplomatic channels?