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  1. vasco

    vasco Well-Known Member

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    Mobilised russians complain about their comrades stealing their belongings - even shoes - while in camps.
    While officers treat those complaining about this with contempt and indifference.
    That's quite some esprit de corps. Imagine what they'll get on the front line.
     
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    There's a joke circulating about a newcomer to Odessa:
    What's that alarm about? - asks the newcomer (N) a city dweller (CD).
    CD: Oh - it's nothing, Russia is said to be fighting NATO.
    N: Any losses yet?
    CD: 80 thousand killed and 180 thousand wounded, one cruiser sunk, over 2000 tanks, over 5000 IFVs and APCs, 250 airplanes, 240 helicopters lost.
    N: And how about the NATO?
    CD: Oh - they're not here yet.
     
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  3. Stefan

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    how accurately the losses of Ukraine are listed
     
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    These are Russian losses (according to Ukrainians).
    The US credits Ukrainians with killing half the number of Russcists they claim to have killed.

    Even if you only lost 40 thousand killed and 90 thousand wounded, that is still 5 times the number of those KIA, and 2 times the number of wounded in Afghanistan.
    You pigs spent 10 years in Afghanistan, and less than 8 months in Ukraine.
    It should make you think about it.
    It should.
     
  5. vasco

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    Instead of being concerned with the morality of what your country is doing in Ukraine, you just want to make sure that you're winning.
    You're not winning.
     
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    I think pretty accurate to the ammount, but quite different to the counting method.

    Ukranians count contracted soldiers and DDR militia as well. Russians not.

    Till mobilization there were mostly contracted soldiers, mercenaries, separatists and quite few specialists. RF only counts non-contracted soldiers, it could be officerd, sailors, pilots, etc. But total ammount of fallen combatants are quite close to the ukranian estimation, maybe evem little bit more.

    On the other hand, the loses of UA could be very similar, but there are also dead civilians in tens of thousands, ruined economy and infrastructure.

    More reinforcements from RF mobilization could prolongue war by maybe a year, increase the loses on both sides and cost more all of the sides from RF, UA and EU as well. But I don't think it will change the result. RF will lose
     
  7. Archer

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    Just take a look...
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  8. -frog-

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    You consider all your troops sent to Ukraine "Missing in Action"?
    Bold statement for someone with a fascist mindset, like you!
    Good for you pal!
    You're slowly recovering towards sanity it seems.
     
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    А жаба-то тупой, хоть жопой сядь...
    Правда оно еще и уёбок, если сядешь - испачкаешься
     
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    оне не догоняют,небудет никаких вин бля или лузе а пудет опездюлены так бля понято?
    ну и типа колобок:)
     
  11. -frog-

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    A bold statement from someone coming from a nation that is immersed, chest-deep, in shit, and only continues to sink further.
    And you're so stupid that, instead of trying to get out of it, you cheer your leadership, who is pushing you deeper into it.

    Rumors have it your world's second robbing, raping, murdering army war criminals are currently stealing cars from Kherson residents, just to get the fuck out.
    I guess you will blow the dam at Nova Kachovka, just to "avenge" your victory defeat.
    You bastards have a long tradition of blowing it up.
    Last time it took the lives of over 100 thousand residents.
     
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    Losing doesn't mean the Ukraine must conquer the Moskow, it will be more like Afganistan or Vietnam. After years of war RF will reconsider if the Ukraine is worth for such a cost.
     
  13. vasco

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    More russian TV

     
  14. vasco

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    Your national sense of self importance is as inflated as the Mercator projection of your country.
     
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    It's unacceptable. He was fired from RT yesterday for that.
     
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    Yep, and his apologies did not prevent that.
     
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    Армянское радио спрашивают...
    Not yesterday, but today.
    Not fired, but suspended.
    The rest is correct.
     
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    Hell, the biggest problem is that russia has invaded Ukraine, killing people, including children. Also abducting children (thousands already) - which is genocide.

    But messages like these are acceptable in russia. There are countless of messages promoting war and violence and, as important, messages denying that russia is conducting a criminal campaign in Ukraine. This is as important.
    And you comply not even to their story (because you know they lie), but to their demands on what you should think about the invasion - that you should support it and deny any fact that could throw a shadow on Putin's actions.
     
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    Not only that.
    That guy got suspended.
    Whoa! He's on holiday (albeit he's likely paid less than normal), not sacked!
    He'd be facing not only unemployment, but also prosecution in any normal country instead.

    Poland for example:
    art. 256 kk (Polish penal code) - Propagation of nazi or other totalitarian regime - up to 2 years in prison.
    art. 255 kk - instigation of a crime - up to 3 years in prison.
    art. 190 kk - criminal threats - up to 2 years.
    art. 119 kk - acts or public instigation to hatred motivated by nationality, ethnicity, race or religion - up to 5 years.
    (just a few that first came to my mind)
     
  20. -frog-

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    BTW - have your heard the most recent news?
    Russian mercenaries, nazis and criminals from the so called "Wagner Group" (the one that "did not exist" according to some of our Russian friends, at least in their narratives from 6 or 7 months ago) got beaten up at Bakhmut.
    They were pushing towards Bakhmut kilometer after kilometer, week after week, drowning in their own blood.
    They were pushed back 4-5 kms in just two days (during the weekend).

    The "last place Ukrainians are in defensive" is no longer there.