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Discussion in 'Warbirds General Discussion' started by vasco, Feb 21, 2022.

  1. vasco

    vasco Well-Known Member

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    Wagner was never supposed to work as an army, but as a criminal force.
    I would be ashamed if my country used such an organisation during my life time.
    Somehow many russians seem to be blind to that.
     
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    It surprised me a lot. My respect ;)
     
  3. vasco

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    Wtf are you respecting them for?
     
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    Ever heard of sarcasm?
     
  5. vasco

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    Somehow I think of Hugo as a very sincere guy :D
     
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    Way better than the russian barracks

     
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    LOL
    Again, everything is true when applied to russia :D

     
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    Rumours have it that Admiral Makarov joined the underwater fleet headed by the Moskva cruiser submarine (and consisting of a number of smaller vessels, including one Ropucha class underwater landing craft).
     
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  9. vasco

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    I see no mention from the russian side, while the Ukrainian media says it was damaged.
    I just hope it was demilitarised, no matter how.
     
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    It is shame to lose so many vessels in ground war :D

    We, the Czechs never lose one single ship, be like us ;)
     
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    I really wonder what even the game plan is on the Russian side at this point. Even assuming a hypothetical (and increasingly unlikely) Russian victory of some sort, do Russians really think there would be any living together with Ukrainians after all this? They are going to absolutely hate your guts for generations. Plus, you'd inherit a thoroughly wrecked country that would take trillions to rebuild; all that while you can't even keep the country you already own in shape.

    And the lesson the world will have learned from this - especially those neighbors of Russia with a significant Russian-speaking minority within their borders - will be DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, TRUST RUSSIA. I'm thinking even some of your neighbors that you've traditionally had decent relations with will probably be rethinking their future outlook now.

    And we haven't even mentioned that even before this massive blood-letting, Russia was already teetering on the edge of demographic collapse. What is losing tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of young people (outright casualties of the war or fleeing the country) going to do to that? Oh Russia, you could not have fucked yourself up more efficiently if this had all been an inside job orchestrated by the CIA ...
     
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  12. rgreat

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    Fixed that for you.
     
  13. Red Ant

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    Nah, you really didn't. The U.S. is not particularly high on the list of countries that small, unaffiliated nations will put a lot of trust in; I'll give you that. But even with all the dubious military adventures America has embarked on in the last 70 years, it never outright annexed a country. And definitely not one it had previously sworn (by treaty) to actively protect from outside aggression. I mean that's a whole new dimension of betrayal! :(
     
  14. rgreat

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    Yep, in late years they prefer to raze, rob and milk other countries, overthrow their governments, instill wars and civil wars, but not to annex them.

    After all, they already annexed all they could and wanted on their continent by 1900th. Oversea annexations are not very smart.

    Strange thing that you never seen current developments coming, after all these years of USA increasing tensions and instilling mistrust between neighbors all around the world, and in Europe in our case.

    This one, intriguing with Germany being one of the main receptionists and casualty of this policy in EU.

    Just remember how they changed your chancellors.
    From Schreuder, which was our friend (and our relations prosper), to Merkel, who being historically distrustful of Russia (and our relation stagnate) to Scholtz who is openly a Russian enemy, and a top Nazi descendant. And now our relations are in tatters and on the brink of the war.

    Interesting progression, don't you think?

    You are being manipulated into suicide for the USA interests and do not even see that.
     
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  15. Red Ant

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    Yeah yeah yeah, of course I am. I just unquestioningly swallow up everything my masters want me to; don't you know it ... :rolleyes:
     
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    Who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
     
  17. Red Ant

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    What are you now, the book of poignant phrases? Can I get one in, too? Yabba dabba doo!
     
  18. rgreat

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    I guess engaging in intelligent conversation is not for you.

    Have a nice day, then.
     
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  19. Red Ant

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    Oh, it is, but I know when someone is trying to bullshit me.
     
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  20. vasco

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    You still repeat the same obsession about how the US did this and that.
    WTF are you attacking Ukraine then, why don't you have a go at the US for fuck's sake!