sth has changed with damage model every hit with 20mm cannon caliber ripps fuselage off the plane tested on MA and TA with mixer and yivan all other parts of the plane are durable as always but as soon fuselage is hit by 1x20, it fall off when mixer incresead maxlivevar to 1.2 fuselage was able to take 2x20 sometimes depending on the plane but still it was much more weak than any other parts of the plane tested on planes: tempest, spit9, 190s vs ju88 b24 and other figthers at test arena also g4m, ju88 vs beau, spit5 at main arena if any console logs with gunstat results are needed, let me know
Yep problem exists. But i will say that changed maxlivevar doesnt mater, because always at least 1 hit in cfus, or rfus cause lost that part.
I find it interesting that a central fuel fire rips the rear fuselage off an A6M (perhaps some other planes as well) even though the central fuel tank is situated between the engine and the cockpit.
Yesterday, I flew JU88, met -joe- in some spitfire IIRC. He hit my JU 4 times: 2 in right Engine, 1 in wing and 1 in Cfuselage. (20mms all hits) Engine did not lose oil, wing did not rip, but Cfus fell off and a fire started. (I might confuse 2x20 in engine and 1x20 in wing, might have been 2 in wing, 1 in engine, no matter) Anyway, I tried to make my way northeast for bail over friendly, joe left, as his job was done ... <S> to you to not be dying for a PK, as quite many are lately. I could not do anything except slow spiralclimb to the left, probably rotationforces. All stuff I tried made it go the wrong way... Being stupid (hehe) I decided to see where I would end, since no -HOST- msg about damage came (with that kind of fire I expected to see "-HOST- fuelfire, you will explode, dude" .. but it didnt come. I didnt count the amount of time I had it on its own, but, it climbed from about 2Km to 4,5Km before I grew tired and forced it into downward spin. -joe--, if you have any comment , or remember hits better, please post. If U like. One word springs to mind: ridiculous. IIRC, 7mm should be more lethal with new changes, but 12 and 20 unchanged? so well duuh... something happended to 20mm as well <edit> Today 2 sorties in G4M, same shit. 1x20 takes Cfuselage off, resulting in PK in this plane. </edit>
Yesterday I ripped rfuselage of Yak by 1x20 and some other aircraft too. And got killed in same way few times, loosing my tail
Well ... the 20mm bullet is pretty lethal in RL, so I think that is right, lose the entire rfuse or cfuse in 1 or 2 x 20mm shots, when you're in a small fighter ... 1 x 20mm in your fuel tank in RL means two tings : Fire or Explosion ... 1 x 20mm in your engine in RL means one thing : Engine killed or Engine explosion ... 1 x 20mm in your rudder means that the rudder is damaged, not the vstab and hstab at same time ( like happens here in warbirds ) ... Also, i think that the 20mm ack sould be reduced, because of velocities, unless you're diving into it ( your speed in dive + the speed of bulled climbing to you = disaster ), I was killed by pk for 1 x 20mm shot when I'was running from the ack ... ( bullet speed subtracted by my speed ) +/- 1200 km/h * losing energy by distance - 700 km/h = 500 km/h ... I don't know how a 20mm shell can be so lethal to a 190 at this speed ...
!!! so u tellin me that 1x20 that ripping whole plane apart is ok? no matter what plane? b24, ju88, b17 etc etc? and u tellin me that wing of these planes can take 3-10x much more damage than fuselage (which has much smaller forces to resist!!) is ok? nc... edit: and its not fuel tanks! DM take fuel tanks as another part of aircraft!
today: 2x landed with 3x20 + ~10x7mm 1x landed with 1x20 + ~10x7mm (hstab overg) imho no problem on fighters side...what u want? landing with 10x20? what u want? sim or arcade? buffs are very bad (4-6x20 for kill is enough), but fighters are ok...
fatale read spuint post again... the problem is that any hit with 20mm in Cfuselage or Rfuselage cause ALWAYS explosion of that part. (plz read word "always" carfully ) some logs: nice for ju88 Code: 13:43:06 flyqba(Private): I've hited your [Cfuselage] by 1x[Hispano_20mmMkII] 13:43:06 -HOST-(Host): Kill of yivan- by flyqba from MAO ZEDONG'S SMILE 13:43:06 -HOST-(Host): System:yivan- Exploded 13:43:07 -letez(Gold): wtg 13:43:08 -HOST-(Host): FLIGHT TIME - 1548 sec 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): you hit 11 7.62mm gun in enemy in this sortie 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): you hit 2 12.7mm gun in enemy in this sortie 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): ************************************************** 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): you've got 3 20mm in this sortie 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): ================================================== 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): Last mission score: 535.000 - Bomber mission. 13:43:08 -HOST-(Private): ================================================== not best proof (109g2 vs typhon): Code: 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's Eng1 (0.016) 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's Cfuel (0.016) 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1xMG151/20 in Typhoon 1B's Cfuel (0.090) [B]11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1xMG151/20 in Typhoon 1B's Rfuselage (0.090)[/B] 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's Cfuselage (0.016) 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's R_wing (0.016) 11:43:01 yivan-(Private): I've hit 2xMG151/20 in Typhoon 1B's Rgear (0.180) 11:43:02 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1xMG151/20 in Typhoon 1B's Elev (0.090) 11:43:02 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's Hstab (0.016) 11:43:02 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in Typhoon 1B's Rudder (0.016) 11:43:10 -HOST-(Host): Kill of bazza- by yivan- from ]n00b hUnt3r5[ same 109g2 against spit or typhon, 1x20 in flaps, and 1x20 in rfus and 2x7mm equals kill. Code: [B]11:41:09 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1xMG151/20 in badmad's Rfuselage (0.090)[/B] 11:41:09 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in badmad's Cfuselage (0.016) 11:41:09 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1x7.9mm_MG17s in badmad's R_wing (0.016) 11:41:09 yivan-(Private): I've hit 1xMG151/20 in badmad's Flaps (0.090) 11:41:13 -HOST-(Common): kropek <<--Leaves 11:41:15 -HOST-(Host): Kill of badmad by yivan- from ]n00b hUnt3r5[ TRY IT ON TA WITH SOME ONE. Try to ping by one 20mm bullet in CFus, Rfus of b17, b24 or even PE8!
aike was in the arena and said, this bug is fixed now. some made tests and everything looks well. look how impressed we were about this quick fix:
