I have seen lately that when a zero A6m finally get shot enough and after lots of fuel leaks a zero will catch fire and lose a wing, it still flys and climbs out accelerating. It does not roll over and dive into the ground like any other plane on fire spewing flame and black and white smoke, a large piece of wing missing. This is not correct. Some zero users are claiming by using the flaps they can compensate for loss of wing, fuel and fuselage on fire. Others are claiming by using flaps they can out-turn any other plane in the game with no regard to air speed. The number of zeros that get hit, leak fuel and speed-off to ditch are just too many. If correction to the damage/flying model cannot be made more historicaly correct at least call it something else other that an A6m.
It's not the zero based problem. it's a 12,7mm/o,50 problem. Shoot it with 20mm's and it dies. Mine usually does. (too drunk, so I decided that today the sign says :"mazda")
Amazing this "uber butterfly" http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/i153.html be so strong, getting more than 6x20mm or even 2x25mm and still flying...
If you had checked that drawning above, your mind would be changed. Pretty hard to not get anything damaged in so small plane.
according to something i read a long time ago, maybe War in a Stringbag (great book, btw, author is Charles Lamb, plane is Swordfish, theater is MTO & North Africa, AKA the Big Med map), the Swordfish that torpedoed the Bismark came back full of small holes made by HE archie shells that were not triggered by those Fairey's fabric
Not sure where to post this , but here it is. Pleases Dev,s look at the zero something is wrong with the DM of this plane. It takes MANY hits before you even damage it.If you are lucky enuff to actually take a wing off it you are not likely to get kill anyways. Two times in the last 3 days i have blown a wing off a zeke only to watch it fly away on 1 wing. First time plane ditched at 27 while i was trying to catch it. It was able to fly faster than a spit 9 while maintaining control on 1 wing. Second time i watched the 1 winged Zeke nose down a nad accel away from me on 1 wing. This time zeke was not so lucky and crashed landing, i did not pursue as there was little chance of catching it. I have tracks of both and could post them if needed. Minimum this is BUG ABUSE and needs to be stopped.I,m not suggesting bans for it but it needs to be stopped somehow. BUG ABUSERS are warned or banned are they not?? So this needs to be watched for IMHO. Maybe just the threat of banning for this would be enough detterent to stop it??? My 2 peso,s worth of my Spit Dweeb little mind. 8^)
Rules should be clear, how to create a clear rule for unexpected aircraft behaviour under damage ? It´s not possible to lay this responsability to players, in this case, its a DM issue and should be corrected by the Dev´s (Just like the P-38 UFO)
i fight torsti he spit ix (lf?) i a6m3 we dogfight and after battel (he run) he come on the channel 100 and say 'those zekes are cheat itself' 'loop over loop over loop no e loose.' a spitfeuer pilot - complain over a6m turn-flying hauhauhauhau!!!! %) my apologizes i shood know better spit ix were real better turn-flier than a6m trak attach
The fact is that a zero on fire , trailing black and white smoke and the right wing missing is not only flying away from a spit straight and level but then turns and shoots proves something is VERY wrong with the zero flight model. Yes, it is an annoying additional feature that all the "pilot" of the zeke can say in defense of that action is that by using the flaps can compensate for the missing wing and flames. Futhermore in another "battle" I see a zeke also with wing missing and on fire climb away and out run other planes. THIS IS WRONG. In any respect this cannot be acceptable to those who fly against such inaccuracies.
I menage sometimes to keep the zero level even without wings, but i never menaged to escape towards friendly terrain without being escorted by another pilot, and it needs a lot of energy/height reserve... Flying without wing isn´t something possible at sea level...
looseleaf: why did u quote me? i was talking about turning in a zeke, not about flying without wing. flying and ditching w/o an entire wing is a bug, imo. i hope the devs don't think such thing was possible IRL (if u're new here, search for the old thread about this subject) but i think there are few people who constantly manage to do that in MA (personally, i know just one). so the danger of not getting the credit for your kill is not that big, fortunately.
A zero, like all airplanes need wings to fly. You may be able to keep plane level without wings in this simulation, but you are not flying. I am not speaking of not having aelerons. I am discussing zekes without wings. If a plane does not have wings (devices that provide lift) it is not flying, it is in a ballistic trajectory.
You asked me "so what.." I was only trying to answer your question. I had attempted to make the point that certain zeke "pilots" taking advantage of obvious game bugs , such as this zeke flying model are making claims such as using "flaps" to justify their actions. This ads insult to injury and is most frustrating.
The only plane I have ever heard of that made a safe landing minus a wing was an Israeli F15 (1983). The feat was possible due to the F15 fuselage being designed as a lifting body --- something which the Zero is not. The P38 rudder needs a fix. The Zero needs further refining. Mk108 30mm needs to be fixed. B25 needs for power for STOL. (it could take off from a CV as Doolittle proved).
