Pe8 flying Tank

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by -frog-, Jul 30, 2006.

  1. vasco

    vasco Well-Known Member

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    about the 30mm effectiveness against B17 and B24 IRL, i've read somewhere* that, on average, 4 hits were needed to bring one down. and pe-8 isn't that different from those at the first glance ( and i don't think u know more subtle things about airframes and stuff, anyway ;))

    *some Osprey publishing stuff, i'll try to check it out again and tell u the title
     
  2. Ziomek

    Ziomek Well-Known Member

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    lmao

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  3. gandhi

    gandhi Well-Known Member

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    A6M2
    or
    but still, a6m2:
     
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  4. gandhi

    gandhi Well-Known Member

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    or this
     
  5. -frog-

    -frog- Well-Known Member

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    @gandhi
    Just imagine a B-17 executing a 45 degree dive bomb run and surviving it :)

    @Mający zabawę w robieniu sobie jaj screenshotami.
    Ja pierdolę panowie, zrobić taki pieprznik z topiku... i to z udziałem moda... WTF :(
     
  6. Red Ant

    Red Ant Well-Known Member

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    I believe I'm very much capable of understanding what Saddan suggested. What I, in turn, am trying to suggest is that having an air frame strong enough to be used in dive bombing attacks does not confer the plane an automatic ability to shrug off small-caliber fire, as evidenced by the fact that historically the Ju-88 displayed no special ability to withstand cal .50 (or even cal .30) fire.
    An airplane consists of more parts than just an air frame, and many of those parts do not react particularly well to gun fire, you know.
     
  7. miixch

    miixch Well-Known Member

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    już wywaliłem te śmieci
    sry, coś mnie napadło :dura:
     
  8. gandhi

    gandhi Well-Known Member

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    lookie
    lookie
     
  9. Saddan

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    Trowing a bottle-sized shell full of explosives, 640 times per-minute...
     
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  10. gandhi

    gandhi Well-Known Member

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    whoa

    that must be a quite a gun

    btw at 500 metres a second velocity

    as i said befor

    'shotting 30mm not make ur cock bigger'
     
  11. Saddan

    Saddan Well-Known Member

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    nor does flying a zeke :p
     
  13. gandhi

    gandhi Well-Known Member

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    correct

    asien man not have the big cock at all
     
  14. jotaceTOGA

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  15. gandhi

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    that is cermony flute from aichi prefecture to call Onanie from land of wind and ghosts
     
  16. looseleaf

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    "In real life.." Ha ha ha ha ha..... American 50 cal ammo came in incediary, HE and armor piercing and they were VERY effective at bringing down anything they hit.
    AMERICAN anti aircraft rounds were proximity fused; each round had a little mini radio transmiter/reciever, a VERY BIG SECRET of the war.
    Those rounds exploded whenever they were near an aircraft.
    50 cal guns had longer range than 20mm.
    These simulations here at FH do not reflect reality of their true effectiveness.
    Just like Biles said; "..a roll of the dice...randomness of a computer program selection..."
     
  17. Saddan

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    .50 have very little room for chemical content, even german 13mm using thin walls had little content of explosives. Armor piercing rounds are not very usefull against aircraft, and was only a tungsten cored version of ordinary .50 ammo, nothing special. Incendiary effect was a by product of the base bleed tracer, so it´s not something exclusive of USA...


    This is not true for 1939 - 1944, only at 1944 the allies had a substantial ammount of proximity fused shells in stock. And proximity fuse is not possible bellow 40mm projectile diameter. Apart from this, early proximity fuse where very easy to spoof, you just don´t happen to have much eletronics stuff inside a 40mm shell in order to discriminate own signals from alien signals. All that a buff would need to jam these devices is a powerfull saw-tooth transmitter at the correct frequence. It´s a non-issue. German radio controlled bombs, with a lot more room to put anti-jam devices where unable to survive heavy allied ECM, why do you think that a small device like a 40mm shell would do it ?

    Very debatable... range is a very subjective thing. Range for what ? Range for flat trajectory ? You can make a 20mm have a very flat trajectory.

    Yes, and this is true to 30mm splash damage...
     
  18. looseleaf

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    The only truth to your statement is that German shells contained more explosive than Allies shells. If in fact that's true.

    The factors are many to determine what was the most effective:

    How much potential energy was in the chemical mix? How much energy in the propellant?

    How much spin in the barrel? How long the barrels?

    F=ma still doesn't it?

    American production of ammunition exceeded all other countries combined.

    American forces had near unlimited amounts of ammo and bombs.

    They were very liberal with their application to the point of running out of targets.
     
  19. biles

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    USN had em in their 5" guns. Not sure amounts... They had orders to NOT fire them within 5 miles of an enemy held coastline, for fear of a dud being examined AND COUNTERED.
    40mm Quad had a pretty high rate of fire. With Proximity fuses, they must have been rather scarey, but anything was rather scarey to frail aircraft at low altitudes...
    OTOH
    5" Naval guns just needed to burst close to an aerial target. Proximity fused guns were deadly, BIGTIME against targets at ANY altitude and attitude, no need to time fuses for air bursts...
    In the pacific theatre, once those rounds were readily available in 5 inch calibre, never mind 40mm, naval guns were being fired at flat trajectories towards completely puzzled japanese...

    Germany failed rather dismally in the Intelligence department, as did Japan and Italy. There were lots fo things they could have done to counter allied innovations [yes, I said INNOVATIONS], but they were, on the whole, led by a cabal of mentally retarded know-it-alls and were handicapped from the start.
    Thank god for idiotic leadership and intimidated, enslaved, research...
    else The Democracies [and the enslaved soviet citizenry] may have been conquered and enslaved and been forced to await the day cowed and cowlike Germans, Japs and Italians woke up and fought their own revolutions.
    After conquering the world, those three nations would have lived sort of like The West does right now. High on the hog at the expense of the Rest Of The World.... so prolly no revolution even...
    We would be singing the Horst Wessel Lied in schools now and listening to bedtime stories about Sturm Unt Drang and Hitler Der Herr Auf Aus Alles.
    And our women would have to suck tiny tiny Japanese cocks in the Pleasure Camps.

    :dura:
     
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