Guess the tank...

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by Holmes, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. jotaceTOGA

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    Imagine the missile near the venezuelan AMX and the commander screamming :

    "Aya carajo ! madre de dios !"
     
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    Take that ZSU thingie out in the toolies for some plinkin.
    [don't suppose anyone but a Canuck or a Yank even understand what I just wrote there]




    Looks good. What are those things on top of the ZSU AFVs that spin?

    Um.

    Anti-radiation Missile Bulls Eyes?

    :fly2:
     
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    Taking out an upgraded ZSU-23, a Tunguska or a FILA with anti-radiation missiles is not very smart... They can aim the anti-radiation missile itself and shot it down "Phallanx" style...
     
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    Yeah, you're right, I guess.
    And HARMS is effective against radar transceiver, not a AFV hull.
    Prolly better ways of killing a ZSU.
     
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    Standard USA army doctrine against cannon/short range missile AAD is to take them out using Hellfire (Helicopters)...

    1st thing a Tunguska guy would do if being shot by a anti-radiation missile is to shutdown the radar... them try to aim the missile itself using the IR channel (Missiles are BIIIIIG targets in the IR)

    HARM is usefull for larger units like a S-300, wich are very vulnerable (But generally protected by a layer of Tor-M1 and Tunguskas)

    If the enemy is a well trainned/equipped russian AA base, its more or less a case of saturating them, and this is costly...

    When i used to play Su-27 1.5 i tried to sink a Ukranian slava cruiser with anti-ship missiles... I ended needing to setup 16 Tu-148 fully armed with anti-ship missiles, firing from round the clock, to be abke to saturate it... And the fucker ship even got to shot down some Tu-148 using the RIF-M :p
    Was a pyrotechnics show with kashtans and 23mm cannon fire everywhere...
     
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    Do those things have cought your attention? Mine too but I thought more to a some sort of Soviet Teletubbies... :D
    [​IMG]
     
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    Shilka has a special emergency switch to turn off a radar, it's there because some early models suffered from enemey active ECM - the turret started turning viloently at full speed in different directions, so a commander can immediately turn off all the automatics.

    SHRIKE is useless against Shilka/Tunguska - they simply switch off the radar and missile that costs almost as much as an AAA AFV loses it's targeting. Modern HARMs, even more expensive, are useless too: they remember the target position when target switches off radar, but AFVs are designed to move, they can fire while moving.

    BTW, in Chechnya Shilkas were widely used as DOT shredders. 4800x23mm per minute, 80 shells per second - makes it a good anti-ground weapon.
     
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    Hmm, hellfires, helicopters? Strela/Igla MANPADs are a company-level AAA in Russian army.

    Hmm I may be mistaken, but my cousin's friend said that S-300 can fire "from the wheels", when moving, or maybe stopping just for a few seconds to fire. HARM's target memory gets useless again.

    With full-strength used against Yugoslavian AA defence - NATO gangsters were unable to competely supress SAMs. And Yugoslavian air defence was a pale shadow of Soviet PVO. Even without a full-setup, working literally from the wheels, PVO "advisors" Syria-82 achieved impressive results, using mobile tactics, manual targeting and minimal nessessary equipment. But there were all-Soviet regiments and maybe even brigades, officers, sergeants and conscripted soldiers. In Lybia 1986 a not-completely-deployed S-200 brigade fired 2 missiles at 2 American targets, shot down both. Usually S-200 shoots at least 2 missiles at one target, that guys simply didn't have more missiles delivered. A HARM used against it later penetrated the target-illuminating antenna and didn't explode, landing safely in the sand :D Another S-200 was disabled by HARM simply because a crew didn't have time to dig all the cables into the ground...
     
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    Radar still emits AFTER it is shut down. I suppose they have a cup or something that flips over whatever the VERY VERY RADIOACTIVE radar locus focus thingie is called though, eh? Always count on Russians solving problems with simple solutions [this is not an insult, it is a compliment].
     
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    lookie
     
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    Hehe, Pavel, you are the only Russian who ever told me that I drink too much [well, there was a girl in the Ukraina hotel who told me the same, but she was a "lady of the night" (Masha...) But I digress]. When you said that, I understood that you are essentially a reasonable man :) Also, I recognized during our conversations that you were very intelligent.

    BTW, that Turkish guy in the hotel bar, I think he was a spy. That's why I didn't like him around ;) Remember that guy? That bar is a strange place ;)

    BTW, where has Ksan gone to? He is a good guy, and I thought of him when Russia had the Day of Parachutists... I'll drink with that guy any day :)

    To be honest, I agree with you. However, I do think that the provisional government could have had some success. That is, there could have been a more moderate form of government. You know, my education always taught me to respect Lenin as an enemy. In fact, one of my texts said that Lenin was extremely intelligent, but that a brick or stone had fallen on his head when he was a boy. I think it said that he excelled in logic, but was out of touch with reality.

    All in all, Lenin's intelligence cannot be denied.

    But again, I have both Soviet and American biographies. Now I understand Lenin, looking back and understanding the conditions. Stalin to me represents only control, and a betrayal of Socialist/Communist ideals. I think that Lenin would not have done what Stalin did, in terms of repression of opposition. And Stalin also chose to destroy opposition at random -- destroy 30% of this sector of society/government, etc. That's the craziest part.

    There's that strange park on the M river, where the weird Peter the Great statue is. That place struck me the most. It seems a dumping ground for ex-CCCP statues. Ex-Intourist guide kept wanting to point out the anti-soviet modifications, but that place, and an old apartment building with soviet slogans built into its walls said so much to me. Damn, staues of both Lermontov and Dzherzhinskii are there. That made me think so much...
     
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    William, I simply warned you that we consume alcohol in quantities incompatible with life for foreigners... As for being "intelligent" - i probably only look so.

    When we drank from the barrel at Crimean bridge and then at the Proviant Stores wall, we figured it out. You are a different American, you are able to drink :D

    Hehe we looked at each other with Ksan and Oleg - if we should massage his face, but he was smart enough to go away :D

    Ksan is OK AFAIK, last time i called him - he refused to drink a bottle of beer saying that he's a married man :D

    Lenin was a product of German provocation. Kaiser payed to social-democrats, just like Japanese payed to SR party in 1904-1905.

    But unfortunately bolsheviks were the only force that could hold the country together, only without Poland and Finland... Anyway P and F had so much independance that they were in fact not parts of the Empire.

    Sorry - too drunk, i'll finish the answer later....