R.I.P. Mr Yeltsin

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  1. glucose

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    1% is too optimistic i think .

    To Bullet. Do you want to bring back depression time for TEN years to save some freedoms?
    Bullet, you right that it was tooooooo fast. And someones life finished that reasons same way - too fast.
    Some unlazy people have calculated what Russia lost due this changes - more then USSR lost due WW2.
    It was need to someone to destroy USSR + Russia and Yeltcin's time gave good possibilities to do it.
    We lost industries, we lost hundred thousands of specialists that now work mostly for USA growth. It's wounder that we are still able built planes+ships.
    Please, understand me - getting older i become more conservative ;) Look at China - no revolutions (i dont count Tian An Min square). Some kind of slow revolution that more similar to evolution. God bless our stragic nuclear forces. If we have no them so Russia already was at least half of its current size.
     
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    Oh yeah you'd want to live in China?
    Hire yourself as a puppet in a local theatre, same thing.
     
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    Of course - no.
    And do you want to live in Yeltcin's Russia? :)
     
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    I wouldn't want to live in any kind of Russia/USSR.
    A lot of people died so that I wouldn't have to.
     
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    I expected this kind of unswer.
    But i have hoped you ll not bring up Russia-Poland relation problems in ur replay. BTW, it's not my fault that ur ancestors didnt won all their wars vs Russia :) Tatars were defeated in 1552 and now only few of them very sorry about it.
    Last century wasnt easy for Russia: two world wars, one civil war and many other unpleasant things: hunger 30th, "perestoyka". All this wars cost us at least 50 millions of people. And we still alive. Hope will be.
     
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    glucose is the REAL EVIL. There are a lot of typical westerns mistakes in his post.
    P.S. Neither me nor my parent was a communist. I ate caviar every N.Y. celebration when USSR was alive. And i forgot caviar?s test since those matherfacker Yeltsin came in charge.
     
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    Your question was unnecessary then.
    And I didn't, you did.
     
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    "Eating Caviar," over here, is a figure of speech.
    Soviet Union was a HUGE Potempkin Village.
     
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    Did you live in Russia? I guess not. So, where did you get info about Russia? I live both in Russia and Europe, so i know what's the difference, you are not.
     
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    Oops. So sorry. I am sooooo wrong.
    [bleah deleted]
    http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/
     
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    russia hav most buetifull women

    end of story
     
  14. --maty

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    Yeah, your FreePress shows only what peoples wanna see.
    Enough.
    I'm very glad that those murder Yeltsin is dead. I guess he kill more ppl than all commies all-together.
     
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    It is, indeed, a popular press.
    I don't know what to do about that.[SIZE=-1]
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    C'mon i'm half ukranian. My grandpa and grandma survive Holodomor and saw all horror of starvation. They never claim Stalin for that. Starvation was before Stalin as well, and never after him. Your hate commie, i'm accept it. You know, Yeltsin pervert the sense of the word "democracy". In Russia, the word "democrat" is almost the same as word "murder" or "liar". Say thx to Yeltsin.
     
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    I wouldn't blame Yeltsin for lack of education.
     
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    Anatole Chubais had a large part to play in this. IMHO he was the ultimate theif, who sold everyone around him a lie.

    I am glad to see Russia slowly recovering.
    Would a slow change vis. China have worked better?
    Perhaps the historians of the future may decide what was best, in hind-sight.

    Perhaps the Russia of tomorrow will realize the US was never the dreaded enemy that paranoia portrayed them as. Capitalist, Opprotunist, sure, so is China, Japan, and a hundred other countries. Economic competitor isn't an enemy but an opprotunity.
     
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    Wow, I am sorry for opening a can of worms. Wasn't my intention. I just wanted to hear the views of those that went through it over thier and lived it, and can tell its good points and bad points. I think it is safe to say our Leaders of past and current are not perfect. Some more then others. Some are handed a living hell and try as they may can never expect to get it right except for perhaps far down the road of the future. While others sometimes are handed a beautiful situation. In warbirds terms. Yeltsin went into a one sided furball with a plane with no armor, armament, and poor training for the fight. And with wingmen only caring if they have a parachute with provisions to survive for the troubled period that lay ahead.

    Communism has its good and bad points as well as Capitalism. If you prepare to change it. It would be best to take a slow and cautious approach with a good base plan. Rather then hap hazardly entering it.

    And lets please not bring up old to ancient problems which were not started by any that are currently living. If we could all wipe the slate clear and start over again I think all would just like to live life and enjoy it rather then get involved in someones ideas of grandure. Because as we all know it is the common folk that bares the brunt and pain. Sometimes with out ever knowing which is right and are polluted from birth with ideas that are wrong from elder generations. Okay I have said enough. A perefect world it is not. but I/ We can hope. <S> all

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    Well, may be i was too emotional. Back to your first post, just values: only 25.000 russians came to say last goodbye. It's approximately 0.16% of Moscow population. So, you can imagine what the ordinary russians think about him.