Why does Spit iX have 303 not .50 cal?

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  1. Gaze

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  2. RolandGarros

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    I AM ANGRY

    i only checked on the link you posted, but i get the same results.
    WTF 0.303!?!
    DEVS=FAGS

     
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    http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit9v109g.html

    http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ab197.html

    FROM THE OFFICIAL SPITFIRE PILOT'S MANUAL:

    Page 6:

    1. (i) The variants of the Spitfire IX, XI and XVI are distinguished
    by prefix letters denoting the general operating
    altitude or role and the suffix letter (e) is used where
    ?5-in. guns replace ?303-in. guns. The aircraft are all
    essentially similar, but the following table shows the main
    features that give the various versions their distinguishing
    letters:
    F IX Merlin 61, 63 or 63A; two 20-mm. and four
    ?303-in. guns.
    LF IX Merlin 66; two 20-mm. and four ?303-in.
    guns.
    LF IX (e) Merlin 66; two 20-mm. and two 5-in. guns.
    HF IX Merlin 70; two 20-mm. and four ?303-in.
    guns.
    HF IX (e) Merlin 70; two 20-mm. and two 5-in. guns.
    PR XI Merlin 61, 63, 63A or 70.
    F XVI Merlin 266; two 20-mm. and two 5-in. guns.

    download a copy of the manual in *.pdf :

    http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Spitfire9_Manual.html


    Good hunting.
     
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    Encyclopedia of military engineering" /Aerospace Publising/
    "British warplanes of World War II" /under cor. Daniel March Read the sources!!!! So now a russian site is not accepted either??
    B wing was used in Spit 5 as well. . But it is hard to get info. Your sites seem specific to a particular test model and were done in 1942.At least the aircraft performance one. I noticed their speeds would be high. They made sure the plane was clean, guns removed and all openings covered.

    http://www.spitfire-mk9.com/spitfire_variants.html
    Another site. I get confused with the wing types.1 site says B wing had 2 x 20 mm and 4 x .50 cal. 1944 on spit 9 used E wing which had .50 cal not .303,s. As quoted from 2 sights i have found. Still looking though.
     
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    you won't find any earlier than 1944.
    so you can ask us to move 1942 spit9C or 1943 spitLF9C to 1944 to receive an E-wing. eh?
    will ya?
     
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    Why not just offer the choices of:

    2X20mm and 4X303

    or:

    2X20mm and 2X.50cal ?


    From what I've read it is not clear just how many types were made of each option nor exactly when they were available.

    I remember reading that the wings for the Spits were made at converted furniture factories and delivered to the Supermarine works.
    There were many problems with fitments and at several times there were workers' strikes at these furniture factories.
    Unless you have designed-in significant changes in flght characteristics between Mk 1X year versions I think just giving the player the armament option is the easiest way.


    Unless you make the IX faster that is......:D
     
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    because no 12.7 before 1944.
    while in 1944 one can summon (ole!) spitfire 14e.
     
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    when we get the spit that carried beer kegs?
    was available load option in tbf as well (no pics, was carried internally)
    [​IMG]
     
  10. looseleaf

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    OK- I read one place where new gun sight +50cal +E-wings were made available SUMMER 1944.

    So before 1944 the Mk lX had 1,400 rounds of .303, 2800 rounds of .303 and 240 rounds of 20mm.

    Does the Mk lX have that here?
     
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  12. Gaze

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    No comparison though Spit 14 flys like crap. Not even close to spit 9. I find 14 is all weird 9 seems better all round even faster to me.
    Ok seems you are right no 50 cal before E wing and 1944. But can we get spit 9 opton of 50 cal in 1944? Also i read where C wing could have 8 x 303 , 4 x 20mm or 2 x 20 and 4 x 303.
     
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    nope. ien programmed weapon variants as date independent. only planes itself are. with this feature available we would make ki-61-i kaic 3 years earlier within ki-61-ib (back in 2000 when we made ki-61-ib).
     
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    museums and pop-books (escpecially turkish ülker chewinggum envelopes) often give a bad mixture of dates without mentionning it for people who are not giving a shit about nuances like we have in this game. they easily could type "spitfire, griffon(meaning mk12-14), first flight 1939(meaning mk1), with bombs (meaning mk5)". and there're so much of such museums so there's absolutely no use in informing all of them.
     
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    it's not about "spit14 is crap". it's about "please fix spit14 such and such"
     
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    Are you kidding??? The Spit XIV is a BEAST! It has superb acceleration, climb and speed and certainly is a heck of a lot faster than the Spit IX. The only thing it doesn't do as well as the Spit IX is turning, but IMO that's not unreasonable.
     
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    it spins better too
     
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    In real life all Spits suffered violent spins no matter what model: wing form featured all-span airflow detachment, plus no slats. It is funny, but all other wing forms, used by germans and russians were much more friendly to the pilot -- their airflow detachment developed gradually.
     
  19. RolandGarros

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    in real life i've flown every fight plane ever flight modeled on the internet so i know well enough to agree with you, plus planes like 109, i-16, ki-43 & a380 have wings with washout so that wing tips and ailerons maintain their effectiveness with large fractions of the wings stalled
     
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    Now THAT is actually funny!