all changes on russian planes in last 2 ver

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  1. demian

    demian Well-Known Member

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    1.67+1.67r2 changes on russian planes

    1.67

    Yak?s, La and LaGG-3 flight models mostly reworked (exept. Yak-3) - plane handling and spin recovery was improved without affect to main flight characteristics (such as max. speed, climb and turn rates).

    - Yak-1 ser.20 - flight characteristics corrected to Blueprints, was underrated in 1.66.

    - Yak-7B ser.22 (M-105PF engine) - fit in Yak-9 slot

    - Il-2, Yaks (all mod.), LaGG-3, La-5 (all mod.), Ki-43 - dive speed limit slightly reduced.

    - Yak-3, F4F, I-16 - rudder handling force added (was ZERO).

    - LaGG-3 ser.1-11 - weapon set "ser. 8 with VYa" with 1*23mm VYa-23 (90 shells) added.
    LaGG-3 - DM totally reworked

    - Yak-3, Yak-9 - fuselage fairing removed from DM map.

    - Yak-9D - CFuel removed from DM map.

    1.67r2


    - Yak-9D/9T- flight stability improved

    - LaGG-3 ? FM reworked to better spin handling

    - Yak-1 - engine characteristics cutted to M-105PA type engine
    WEP logic was changed for La, Yak and J2M3 planes:


    - La-5 ? WEP 5 min, then cooling 10 min, then WEP 5 min, then no more WEP till the end of flight

    - La-5F ? WEP 10min, then cooling 10 min. Summary WEP time per flight ? 2400 sec.

    - La-5FN ? WEP 10 min, then cooling 5 min. Summary WEP time per flight ? 2400 sec.

    - La-7 ? WEP 10 min, then cooling 5 min. Summary WEP time per flight ? 2400 sec.

    - Yak-1 ? WEP 3 min, then cooling 5 min. Summary WEP time per flight ? 2400 sec.

    - I-16 type 29 ? weapon set with 4xShKAS 7,62 added (I-16 type 24), 900 rounds per wing-mounted gun

    Stay tunned for next version, i bet new yaks will be even better!
     
  2. ledada

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    all changes on german planes in last 2 ver

    1.67

    Most expected improvements
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    - Bf 110 G-2 - fit in Ju 87 D-1 slot, new Bf 110 G-2/R3 fit in old Bf 110 G-2 slot and moved to 1943 in RPS.
    - Bf 110 G-2 (both) - plane handling was worsen, weight balance corrected, Bf 110 G maneuverability was made the same as in the earlier models.
    - Bf 110 G - bug with rear gunner which can fire using primary guns, fixed.
    - Ju 52 - bomb sets removed from weapon load list.



    Flight Model Changes
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    - Ju 87 G, Bf 109/R-6 - climb, roll rates and speed underrated in comparison with light versions of same planes
    - He 177 A-3 - max flight altitude increased to He 177 A-5 performance level.
    - Fw 190 A-8 - roll rate slightly reduced.
    - Bf 110 G2/R3, Me 410 B - weight balance corrected.


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Fw 190 A-8 - weapon set ?Fw 190 A-8/R2? with 2*30mm MK-108 (2*55 shells) added.
    - Me 410 - weapon set /U4 with 50мм BK 5 added.
    - Me 410 B - weapon set with 2*MK-103 added.
    - Bf 109 G-14/R6 - nose gun ammo reduced from 200 to 150 shells.
    - Bf 109 G-2/R6 - nose gun ammo increased from 150 to 200 shells.


    Damage Model, Armor and Defence
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    - Fw 190 (all mod.) - MG 151/20 added to DM map.
    - Ju 88 A-4 - forward gunner added to DM map.
    - He 177 A-3 - top gunners are split on DM map, 1 of them now ?left gunner?, and left gun и bottom gun was cross-changed on DM map.
    - Bf 110 C - forward armored glass shield removed, only rear armor left.
    - Bf 109 */R6 - nose machine-guns was separated from nose cannon on DM map, now its called ?top guns?.
    - Ju 88 S - nacelle removed.
    - Ju 87 G - main guns size increased on DM map.
    - Bf 109 (all mod.) - water coolers size reduced on DM map.
    - Ju 87, He 177 - fuel tank size increased.
    - Bf 110 tail shape corrected.



    1.67r2

    Flight Model Changes
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    - Fw 190A-3/A-4 – engine altitude characteristics chart corrected, overspeed was cutted at 2-3 km alt
    - Bf 109G-6/G-6R-6 – some FM bug fixed


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Bf 109K-4 – weapon set Bf 109G-10 with 20mm added, 150 rounds per nose gun
    - Bf 109G-14R-6 – weapon set G-14/U4/R4 3x30mm added, 55 rounds per wing-mounted gun
    - Fw 190A-4 – rocket loads removed
    - Ju 52 – 12,7/13mm guns changed to 7,62/7,69 ones, 1200/1500 rounds


    Damage Model, Armor and Defence
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    - Bf 109F-2 – forward canopy armour shield removed
     
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  3. ledada

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    all changes on japanese planes in last 2 ver

    1.67


    New planes
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    - J2M3 - fit in Fw 190 A-8/R8 slot, see Fw 190 A-8 changes below.


    New Weapon
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    - 13.2mm Navy Type 3 - on A6M5b, in replacement of Browning guns
    - 40mm Ho-301 - on Ki-44-IIc


    Flight Model Changes
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    - Ki-43 - dive speed limit slightly reduced.
    - N1K now nave a spin, like any ordinary plane, too.


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Ki-44-IIc - weapon set with 2*40mm Ho-301 added.
    - B5N2 mod.12 - weapon set N2 was changed from 6*50kg to 9*50kg bombs, due to game balance to TBF-1 with 12*45kg bomb load.


    Damage Model, Armor and Defence
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    - A6M2, Ki-43 - fuel tank size increased.
    - All Zeke?s got equal fuselage shape on DM map.



    1.67r2


    Flight Model Changes
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    - N1K* - FM reworked to improve yaw stability
    - J2M3 – some FM bugs fixed (energy lost in turn increased, overpower cutted)


    WEP logic was changed for La, Yak and J2M3 planes:
    - J2M3 – WEP 200 sec, then cooling 400 sec, then WEP 200 sec, then no more WEP till the end of flight


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Ki-61-Ib – bomb loads removed
     
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  4. ledada

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    all changes on anglican-american planes in last 2 ver

    1.67


    Most expected improvements
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    - Beaufighter - plane handling was worsen, weight balance corrected.


    New planes
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    - Hurricane IIB (12x7.7) -fit in B17G slot.
    - Hurricane IID (2x40) - fit in B24J slot.


    New Weapon
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    - 40mm Vickers ?S? - on Hurricane Mk.IID
    - 57mm Molins 6 pdr. Mk. I - on Mosquito FB FXIII


    Flight Model Changes
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    - Hurricane (all mod.) - climb and roll rates corrected.
    - F4F-4 - speed reduced in comparison with F4F-3 (based on Emmanuel Gustin data), roll rate slightly improved.
    - F6F-3 - weight reduced on 200 lbs in comparison with F6F-5.
    - F4U-1A - weight reduced on 200 lbs in comparison with F4U-1D.
    - P-39D-2-BE - weight balance corrected (to all another Cobras).
    - F4F - rudder handling force added (was ZERO).
    - P-38 (all mod.) - rudder response was worsen.
    - P-38L - flaps lower speed increased.


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Mosquito FB Mk. VI series 2 - weapon set "FB Mk. XVIII ?Tsetse" with 57mm Molins 6 pdr. Mk. I added.
    - Mosquito IV ser. 2 - bomb load with 1*4000lb ?Cookie? added.
    - Hurricane IA - ammo load was changed as shown below (per guns):
    324+338+338+338+338+338+338+324 (historically),
    in replacement to:
    332+332+332+332+333+333+333+333 (was in 1.66).


    Damage Model, Armor and Defence
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    - Mosquito - Observer added to DM map.
    - B-25H - side gunners added to DM map.
    - SBD-3 - 12мм guns and forward armored glass shield added.
    - P-38F - forward armored glass shield removed, only rear armor left.
    - F4F-4, F6F - armored floor (bottom) added.
    - P-40 - forward armored shield added.
    - Hurricane, F6F, F4F, F4U, I-16 - fuselage fairing added to DM map.
    - Hurricane IID - machine guns separated from cannons an now called ?nose gun?
    - Mosquito - CFuel added to DM map.
    - P-39, Beaufighter, F4F, B-24, B-17 - fuel tank size increased.



    1.67r2


    Flight Model Changes
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    - Spitfire Mk.IX LF – roll banking improved
    - Hurricane IIb – some FM bugs fixed (energy lost in turn increased, overpower cutted)
    - F6F* - FM bug in yaw handling fixed
    - Hurricane IIb - DefauftClimbSpeed improved to 150->155
    - Hurricane IIc - DefauftClimbSpeed improved to 150->155
    - Hurricane IId - DefauftClimbSpeed reduced to 150->140


    Additional/Improved Weapon Sets and Arms Control
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    - Hurricane IId – machine gun ammo reduced from 338 to 334 rounds
    - Typhoon – rocket loads removed
     
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  5. mumble

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    Re: all changes on anglican-american planes in last 2 ver

    BULLSHIT! :dark:
     
  6. demian

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    Cc ledada, there have been changes on other planes as well;)
    So u go today to arena, if u have time to spend it there and not on forum;) ,
    and u can try test flight with yak3, yak9, la5fn,la5f, la5, la7, and of course lagg.
    Then u can try mb f6f, or lets say ki61, or 109g6, g6r6, or mb 190.
    Then u could mb, go to test arena and shoot dwn some yaks 3, some las, and some laggs.
    Then u could mb spend like 3 years in main arena , flying 1.66, 1.67 then 1.67r2.
    And then, and only then, u can come to forum and copy paste whatever u like, whenever u like :@prayer:
     
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  7. gandhi

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    demian writes stuff
    words stacked like an evil wall
    where's our gorbachev?
     
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    certification

    i need to do all these 'coulds' for copy and paste?

    sorry... i had no clue, what's all behind it. :shuffle:
    i surely will elaborate the copy and paste thing and i'll come back, when i found out the mystery.

    (caramba, and i thought, it is done with ctrl-button and such :( )
     
  10. joseh-

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    Very easy to come on forum and reply when you don't fly against LAs, Yaks, I-153, Li-2 and the LaGG (OMG, LaGG...)
     
  11. ledada

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    easy reply

    well, joseh, let me give it another easy try...

    for a start, you don't know in any way, if i flew, fly or will fly against this, that or another plane.

    then, i can't see less easyness in your reply. besides, i am not really bothered about ease or not, when i post.
    indeed, that is quite often the reason, why i post: reading some eased out rant with lots of offense and nearly nothing to say just sometimes make me reply to it - i can't help and i for sure won't do it with the seriousness, which is missing in the openers.

    so for this here now.
    the usual suspect opens a thread with a copy-pasted part of the changes of the last two versions of this game. i read it and couldn't make out what the point was, except the (non-copied) note about yaks getting better.
    so my strong wish (i couldn't help it) was to add to the (copy-pasted) parts of changes the truly much more other changes made.
    the intention was to show, that i couldn't make out the point in the opener's post.

    if demian has something to say regarding the changes (like presumed bias, wrong model, etc), he should provide sources to those, who programming a free entertainment which he (demian) doesn't seem to enjoy.
    listing parts of changes as a hint to some kind of statistical tendency is meaningless - but nevertheless unsurprising for him (demian).

    in a way, the addition of all changes might even helped to reduce the pure whining character of his post.


    straight and on-topic:
    how does his (demian's) note on yaks relate to the changes? stability increased and (yak1) fm enhanced... that's it?
    in his later post adressed to me, he suddenly lists a lot more types which haven't been mentioned in the changes he (demian) posted before. he suggests me to compare these types and then post again here.
    me?
    i didn't start the thread here, so why should i test and post? if he is not able to perform some kind of analytic test and compare it with reliable sources, he'd rather not ask anyone else.
    his (demian's) balloney implication of bias by selected partial copying of changes isn't worth a serious reply, so i am quite happy, that you gave me the opportunity to do so (i guess, that you were adressing me)


    the one very thing, which sometimes gets me is the attitude of demanding some kind of duty from the developers here by several.
    i don't think, there can be no criticism or question of change.
    it might be, that communication is not always the easiest or that the necessary prerequisites to back-up a suggestion are high. but it has been done and probably still is - and after all, a project has every right to set it's own standards.
    on the other hand, the work done here is still work, unpayed and time-consuming. suggestions of change have to be evaluated, adapted, implemented and collected for a scheduled release.

    i don't think, that offending, demanding and ranting is a good stimulus to get someone to work.
     
  12. Zembla JG13

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    Demian, Joseh,

    Seeing a nickname ledada on the forum, doesn't necessarily mean that person will fly under a nickname called ledada. Some people prefer a vail of anonimity. So be it.

    Even then, you don't need to fly to comment on somebody's way of going about things. Especially if that way is a way that generally will not entice a lot of cooperation from the developpers.

    If the developpers are indeed stone-cold Russian-centred, then why do you assume they'll even warm to the idea of tipping the balance if you propose it in such a way?

    -Z
     
  13. joseh-

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    Sorry guys,
    do not get it like i'm pushing a constructive discussion into flames :eek:

    But...
    You have ur point of view and I have mine. I don't think that standing in a chair waiting for admins' changes or admins to listen ppl is a good way to change things. Perhaps trying to fight with them, isn't too :rolleyes: Do they listened us anytime?
    My posts are just to let them see that something is wrong, and I think that demian's objective is the same... Just a little bit spicy :rolleyes:
    When u, Ledada, copied and paste that, for me, IMO, u just supported the decision of the admins, saying "you messed the Russian planes, but also tuned Golds planes", ie, regardless of what the Russians did, stirred in golds to justify that actions. You see when they still fuckin 30mm, like tyeh fucked Bf-110, and tuned LaGG, Yak-7B, La-5FN... You can't agree with me, it's your rights :cool:
    I just been around here since 2000s, and I've seen all admins changes on FH, being fucked up every update... I have a Playstation 3 and I still love to play Mario Bros or Mortal Kombat from Nintendo. Same here! I could just leave this beloved game and go play IL-2 online, but I CAN'T!
    Just imagine if me, demian, looseleaf, antred (just to show some) and other active and good ppl (lol, antred is the best P-38 pilot i've never seen!) leave this game and go play other sims! We can just leave this game on admin's hands and abandoned it, BUT WE CAN'T!

    BULL'S EYE :cool:

    I'm fighting for my rights, against the tyranny of the admins that just can't dialogue with us. We can cooperate with them, they just need to assume that they need us. When u all see that I stopped posting on forum, making ppl's voice active, then, u'll see that I just went out of FH. Forever.
     
  14. ledada

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    your rights to fight against tyranny?

    thx to biles, for the idea of [deleted]
     
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    No. Yak's is not be change. Now yak's is a adequate for historical
    parameters, and no needed correcting. May be added Yak-1 PVO,
    as load-variant in slot Yak-1 ser.20 It's more light version Yak-1,
    without ShKAS and only 100 rounds per ShVAK.

    We thinking about delete Ki-27, and make Italian CR-42bis or ter,
    as opponent for red I-153. It's possible, but i can't say - 'it's 100%'

    We make Japanese Ki-45 and Ki-48. We think about make Italian SM-81,
    (use graphic form Ju-52)...

    We change AM-35 engine on Pe-8 to ASh-82, this is a more historicaly correct, and Pe-8 lost his uber-high-altitude gandicap...

    He-177 to be have FM from B-24, for more usability.
    110g2 - subversion 110g2m1 - gunpod with 2x20 200 round per cannon, summary - 4x20+4x7.92, posible 110 be have 3 (not 2) crewman, for
    release Shrage-Music, or observing.

    Gold be have DC-3 for equal red Li-2, ju-52 i think be deleted or changed to
    SM-81

    La - series be corrected to decrease turn-rate from 16-17 sec
    now, to 18-19 sec in version 1.68

    109 with under-wing pod be corrected for stall-recovering...

    And more, more, more another small changes...

    Now, u must know - this is all - maked 3 developers.
    1 - graphic. 1 historic/weapon-maker. 1 FM-maker. It's all. Only 3

    One ppl - screaming - "Developery Pidarasy", another - helped, search info,
    testing new planes, etc...

    Boa - m.b. you already close your mouth, and make list you pretension, with
    quote from historical source? M-m-m-m...?

    ps2all - sorry for my english
     
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    Not to take any sides in this piss match, but maybe if you asked for help and consulted any of the changes you wish to make people would be more friendly. Who are you making those changes for? The 3 of you? Or maybe for everyone who still plays here? If only for the 3 of you, then you can skip the rest of my post, and don't be surprised that people react the way they do.

    Did you compile that change list list today? You just found out about it?
    I bet not, so why didn't you inform the community that you plan to do this and that and some of this also?

    There will never be a constructive discussion, if the people responsible for making changes don't share their plans and ideas with the rest of the community.

    It's been like this since I'm here at FH, and from reading this forum it wasn't much different before either.

    So you people say that we should share our ideas, and then exec comes and discredits most of the sources, those he can't discredit are left uncommented as if they were not there and the discussion is over. You never give any update on the matter.

    If you want cooperation, this has to go both ways, but I have yet to see a decent effort on the developers side.
     
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    OH, THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
    +2 :@prayer:

    HOW MANY TIMES U SAW OUR PRETENSIONS AND HOW MANY TIMES U ADMINS DISCREDITED OUR SOURCES??? MYSELF POSTED SOME G.55 DATA, EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM KNOW HOW I WANT G.55 (and I'm not alone) AND DO U REMEMBER WHAT DID HAPPENED?

    PS.: When did u admins come here and asked for help? When did u admins give some credits about our sources? When did u admins listened to our wishes? Where did u admins read that 262 was available at August 1945? I don't speak russian, I just can't read what u post on russian side of forum, even with Google Translate.
     
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    FYI - scorepage now make by bimbom and uncle.