Communism isn't aimed at "eliminationg" anyone. Just try to remember, how many Poles nazis killed, and how many were killed by Soviets. Also, don't you know that nazis planned to eliminate all Slavic nations, leaving about 10% as illiterate slaves? I know what you guys are supposed to feel about Russians, but even comparing nazism and Communism is simply sick. I really like to listen to folks from "People's Democracy" countries whining about "evil communism". You didn't see 1/10th of what we had here, speaking of "govt opression". All this anti-communist propaganda is plain stupid, used by modern ruling class to keep the sheeps calm, telling them how bad it was under Evil Communism without cable TV and cell-phones.
So, today Polish administration is approving sending 700 more troopers to Afghanistan to do what? Mb your country wants to occupy someone today? So u can for the first time be on the side of winners? The only thing you guys dont see is that ur losing with laws like this , ur losing ur ownself. I am sad to see you guys think like this , because that is not ur oppinion at all, that is Nato oppinion, and it is not only happening to you, to Poland, it is happening to all of us who live in Eastern Europe. Suddenly, we change history, suddenly we forget everything, we learn from history channel, and we learn to hate evil Russians, and evil communism. I wont argue how many people died from the hand of communists, I will judge about that when i see who is talking today against communism. And everywhere i look, i see relatives of those who lost war, who were killed for collaborating with nazis, and enemies of own people. They talk today , they talk about nationalism, they talk about capitalism, they even talk about socialism under national cover. So you do the math and think about that. Think about what ur accepting with denying of communism, with denying of history, of truth. Think about USA and is it really democratic country, or is it mb going to same old national-socialism, you said killed many Poles? Today Poles go to Afghanistan, tomorrow you will go to Iran.... Mb some day Poland will defend its own freedom on Cuba, Venezuela.. What i want to know is, will u some day judge to people who leaded ur soldiers to another countries, as u did to communist leaders? Will you be defending right to freedom and democracy when ur friends, brothers, sons come home dead? Communist were, they are not anymore. Who will take responsibility for every other loss you suffer today, or mb in the future? Will u blame people or ideology again? We talk about banishing communist symbols today, we dont talk about people at all. I just hope you will find strength tomorrow to blame ideology again, but this time democratic..
Demian, Polish rulers lick America's ass in hope to ensure we have a strong big brother to protect Poland in case some shit went off in this part of the world. Sadly it's apparent that America wouldn't care less about our country if such emergency arised, and only thing they do in gratitude for our involvement in US-led military operations is taking over and/or destroying Polish military industry. I don't like that, just as I don't like many things about EU, but still living in modern Poland is something beyond comparison to living in Russia's satellite. You guys didn't live here, you're not in a position to tell us how was the living here and what should be our attitude toward communism. I would read some history before writing something like this Boroda, Maybe goals of communism were different from those of national socialism (though the picture SPAD attached says otherwise), but methods used were virtually the same, not only in my country. As I said before, I think that forbidding any historical symbols is a nonsense; and I don't hate anyone because of some dark moments in history (even if in some ways this history affected myself too), but you guys won't bend history to make yourself clean.
what the fuck are u guys talking about? i dont give a shit bout banning symbols. But if nazi symbols are banned then... YES communism symbols should be banned too. Our IIWW aces when back to Poland after killing many enemies in Great Britain felt (literally) what it mean "we liberate your country" We had that shit in the house, so we can talk about it and we will if we want to !!! WTF???? We send there troops to help eliminate those sickfucks like Binladen and many more who try to be another Hitler or Stalin. Fuck them and Fuck You too this thread is pointless
What I would like to see is that you make a threat stating "Loooooooll" about attempted Russian law that forbids to tell the history in the "not-favourable" light to Russia. http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0521/p06s10-woeu.html "A public opinion survey conducted last month by the state-run VTsIOM agency found that almost two-thirds of Russians agree that attempts to "deny the Soviet victory in the Great Patriotic War" should be outlawed, referring to the Russian term for World War II. Many older Russian historians appear to agree that the panel, and its brief of fighting revisionism, is a good thing. "We had to do this long ago," says General Makhmut Gareyev, a war hero and president of the official Academy of Military Sciences in Moscow. "One cannot tolerate historical falsifications, particularly of World War II. Once the state organs make their decision, some things will possibly be corrected in the near future." " I don't even start about yanks and their funny laws that seem utterly non-understandable to european.
The first casualty in War is always Truth. Winners always get to write the history books and the new rules. That's just the way it is.
baaaah ban all symbols burn all religious buildings kill all non-believers same old same old same old sorry guys, but this is a perpetuum mobile.
Some history presented by non Rus - Pol side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XEIZIP9MEQ anyway Im against ban symbols, that's leads nowhere.
Sorry, it's a usual Western "allies" view. From people who sold Poland to Hitler. I watched about 10 minutes of that silly show, they didn't say a word about what really have led to a non-agression pact: Moscow negotiations in August 1939. Thiefs' hat burns. I fucking hate this "popular history". "Everyone knows", my ass. Russian TV saying that Soviet Russia attacked Poland in 1920 - how do you like that?! About symbols: I wear a Soviet army belt, it's a present from my friend, that belt have been in many strange places. When I travel - airport guards make me take it off just to see a Star, Hammer and Sickle on a buckle. Do they mean that I'll get arrested in Poland for wearing it? My Grand Father graduated from Warsaw University in 1914 (nineteen fourteen), when we have been one country. Ramzey have helped me so that I can't measure it... If any Pole from WB is going to travel to Msk (our Big Village) - I want to offer accomodation, if he doesn't mind living with an alcoholic host Seriously.
Copy. It was a disaster alright, but I don't think it was a disaster of quite the same magnitude as national socialism would have been if Germany had been victorious, though that is arguably not much consolation to those who got the worst of it.
"Sold" it? If the Western Allies can be accused of one thing in particular WRT to the demise of Poland it is sitting on their asses far too long, hoping the problem (i.e. fascism) would just magically cease to exist rather than doing something about it early on. In 1939 it was far too late, and the Brits knew that. That still didn't stop them from going to war over Poland, though, so I don't see how you could say that anyone got sold out ... unless we're talking about leaving Poland to the Soviets in the aftermath of the war.
Yes, sold-out and on MANY occasions: http://www.historytoday.com/MainArticle.aspx?m=33777&amid=30296706 First rule: hang all the politicians..... .... and owl worshipers
What I'm gleaming from that is that the Western countries screwed the pooch by not really having any clearly laid-out strategy toward containing Hitler's expansionist ambitions, which is probably not very newsworthy.
Take a closer look. Western powers did not screw the pooch. The powers, the REAL powers screwed the people. Those powers were getting ready to make those great war profits. One book: Trading With the Enemy ~ Charles Higham (Author) One more book: War is a Racket ~ Smedley Butler, Maj. General USMC, two time Medal of Honor recipient Free download in .pdf: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf Who made hundreds of millions of dollars during and right after WW2? Just to name a few: General Motors, Standard Oil (Rockefellers) DuPont, Dow Chemical, Krupps, I.G. Farbin, Bayer, Rothschild Bank....
