Bader said Spit not so stable gun platform

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  1. black hornet

    black hornet Well-Known Member

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    Doug Bader;
    the Hurricane wing was thicker and straight. The Spitfire was less steady when the guns were firing because, I have always thought, they were spread further along the wing, and the recoil effect was noticeable.


    Like all pilots who flew and fought in the Hurricane, I grew to love it. The aeroplane remained rock steady when you fired. Unlike the Spitfire with its lovely elliptical wing which sloped towards the tip




    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmitchellR.htm



    During a turning combat the effectiveness of the outboard machine guns was low because if the aircraft was pulling 'g' the flexing of the wings meant that the rounds scattered in a large cone.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(late_Merlin_powered_variants)
     
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    Not going there, don't worry. Thought you were going to bring up the Avro 105 again :)
     
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    All the talk about how our aerospace industry suffered because the arrow is, uh, arguable.
    It isn't like Canadian aviation dissapeared.
    The tallent that 'left' to work in the USA still came home to their families, they weren't retarded, they knew a good thing. Canada is colder, but otherwise, a lot better to raise a family. Or oats.
    Well, sometimes.....
    Nevermind.
    Those guys, after they make their fortunes in the states came back home and built these things. Notice, no bombs, no guns


    We call them Bush Planes. I think they were invented here. Not very glamorous.


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    Ever heard of a Great War aviator name of
    Wilfrid Reid May
    Wop May
    He dropped bombs and shot at people for a couple years then he went home.
    And created something wonderful.
    Something far better.
     
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    Thanks, I didn't know about that guy. Anyway, these days, Canada looks better almost daily to many Yanks ;) So soon you guys may need to increase border security to manage a flow of refugee Amis northwards.
     
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    Really? Yankees like to come to live in Canada?

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    Sorry. OFF TOPIC.

    Okay, I will make it better: This guy never complained about gun platform stability:
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    Not OT anymore, I hope.

    I think Bader was a braggart, a showboater.
    He was a danger to his element and his flight and later on his squad.
    Bader wasn't safe to be around.
    A cowboy.
    I want to find the write-up written by the German many think may have tangled with him, when he went down.
     
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  10. looseleaf

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    Bader was another upper-class twit. Who cares what he said?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader



    What version of Spit did he fly in the war?

    How well can a legless pilot fly a Spit in combat?

    Evidence suggests he was shot down by friendly fire... must have been

    a real popular fellow....
     
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    Lords and ladies didn't fight that war, poor slobs did.
    I really liked Band Of Brothers. THOSE guys were heroes. Regular guys.
    Great book.
    Recall how the guy who was CO was promoted away from his charges, sent off to help organize supply for the battalion? That was the job he was suited for, and he was good at it. But he was a terrible leader.
    In many ways the egalitarian methods of the Regular Yank are pretty effective. Results oriented. If you don't perform, you get another job. NOT always, I know. There are Kennedys everywhere.
     
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    They say that fresh lieutenants arriving in Viet Nam into combat lasted around 15 days.. they were good or they were dead by then.

    A new verb was invented in that war... "Fragging".

    Those Viet Nam era hand grenades were extremely effective, far more that the WW2 versions.

    It is a near religious experience, mind bending to see how one of those rolled under a typical American sedan of the period could lift it one meter in the air and completely convert it into a mass of burning twisted metal removing all evidence having been a fully functioning automobile seconds earlier.

    Yes few of the upper class twits get what they deserved in the English system....
     
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    There is a guy at the local church..flew a hurricane in ww2, battle of britain...he was a brit, then moved to Canada after the war to get away from brits.
     
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    Or perhaps he moved so he could have a future???
     
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    Here's a bit about a Canadian who ended up flying Spits with Brits at Malta.
     
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