Ukraine...leave them alone!

Oh, and I always respected Russians who visit the international forum. We do not understand cyrillic, so cannot visit Russian forums. But you people always resist such western nonsense and keep us company. <3

 

@-nicae-

The situation around Ukraine is complicated.

There are too many interests crossed in the country. You can not articulate correct understanding of the current problems without understanding the history, which started even before soviet times.

I may not speak for all Russians and Ukrainians (besides I have both bloods in me), but there are some facts, which are worry most people who know how to use the brain:
- Ukraine was given the same start as Russia after USSR was destroyed,
- Ukraine politicians were either criminals or ridiculously corrupted and they were hidden speculated on neo-nazi ideas too much, building real neo-nazi problem as result
- Ukraine failed to build economy to the level, when people are "satisfied" at least, the corruption and criminals were ruling for building their personal mini-empires instead
- There are too many political groups who raised their voices for the change and made "maidan" (the place on central square, where the protests were held) - idealists, communists, economists, etc. Unfortunately, the most organised and powerful were neo-nazis and they won in this round.
- Independently from where we (Russians and Ukrainians) live, the absolute most or Russians feelings are that Ukraine is the brother-land. This is the land our fathers and grandfathers gave their lives for during WWII. Those Russians may accept any government in Ukraine except nazi government or pro-nazi government, which is capable to start the civil war in Ukraine.
- Ukraine community is separated. People are supporting different parties, including such distant are nazi and communists. It is hard to say who will win in this chaos. The propaganda takes over the minds. And "big money" continue to wash "big money" using the situation.
- Russia is the last country who can get any profit because of chaos in Ukraine. The f*ck - there absolutely no profit for Russia if chaos (which is in Ukraine for the last 20 years) continues in Ukraine. Russia wants preferably independent, powerful Ukraine, not the absorbed Ukraine, which Russia has to feed then.

The above are my IMHO feelings of the person, who has both bloods and relatives in both countries.

The other people (Ukrainians and Russians) from FH community - please speak for themselves.

 

In the west, we do have a simplistic way to thinking because, we already know the facts, and know what works.

It's a simple solution to this Ukrainian "problem".

If Russia wants problems, they can keep stirring the pot. Ukraine has a problem. The problem fled. Russia makes Ukraine it's problem. Now Russia is Ukraine's problem. Russia becomes a problem. World sees Russia as problem, again. Simple. The world does not trust Russia. Not even up for dispute. Russia can easily fall victim to pride. No, they already have. Let sleeping dogs lie. Leave them (Ukraine) alone.

The west (USA?) has a different kind of history. A history of logics and understanding. There are faults, as there are with anything. Loop holes. Nothing is perfect. However, the United States has not collapsed, has not starved and killed off millions of it's own citizens, has not committed genocide within, has not destroyed/stolen their livelihood (wealth, family), has not killed off their political opposing societies, opposing religious views and, has not murdered millions of it's own citizens...I think I already said that. But, it's a good point. Refer to point 4. below.



But, who has done this, carried out atrocities to their own people and continues to do so? Well, the best known, ....China, North Korea, Russia (USSR), Cuba, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Africa, Indonesia, to name a few.

What's a major difference between us (USA) and the rest?

The most common and recognized attributes of the evil USA:
1. Right to religious freedom, practice what faith you want (atheism included).
2. Right to the pursuit of life, liberty/freedom and happiness, for all people.
3. Right to speak your mind. - You know us, the Americans, mouthy types.
4. Right to bear arms. - Keeps tyrannical government, criminals, invaders, in check.
5. Right to elect those who represent us.

1. Religious freedom has given most of us the ability to practice a Christian faith which leads us to a respect for others (unlike bloody cults; satanism, islam, etc).
2. There is the ability for every race in this country to start a business, raise a family, and have no fear of some whacks wanting to kill them because they're African, French, Russian, German, Jewish, Arab, Chinese, etc. NO GENOCIDE. Just ask the Yugoslavians, Ukrainians, Africans, Indonesians, Russians, Hebrews/Jews, Armenians, what they know about genocide. Ask about it in the USA. Nothing will surprise you. Unless you don't live here of course.
3. We speak because we're used to it. If it bothers you, that's your problem. Use reasoning, use your conscience, it's your best friend.
4. We own guns. Yes, the wild west is still alive and well, and thanks to hussein obama, many more have that useful tool against tyrannical government, and criminals. Some of you out there, fear your government. We don't. Is that too simple, badboy?
5. We can elect and remove those who represent us. Not sure about your leaders but, ours have an expiration date for their office tenure. I must say, it was inspiring to see Ukrainians chasing that commie leader out of their country. Wonder where he feels safe now? In familiar ground?



I think because of Marx, Stalin, and others, too many Russians and those around them are tainted and still embrace Socialist Communistic thinking, because, it's too easy. Fighting for rights yields very little. Quite the facade you all have, after that iron curtain was "pulled away". (See above item 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. )

I think because of the Socialist backed Chinese tyrants, those people are trapped and are tainted, and still have Socialist Communistic thinking. Can't fight the system there. (See above item 4.)

I think what happened and is still happening in Socialist North Korea, is they are tainted, and are stuck in a Socialist Communistic thinking, under dough boy. The people are hopeless. (See above item 5.)

What's the common problem here? The influence of that old RED color. Red Russia, Red China, Red Korea.

It's kind of funny to think of some people flying the Rebel Flag around here, or the "Don't Tread on Me" snake flag, and the reactions. These are previous flags of long ago but, it's our history, and we understand their significance. They don't send chills down anyone's spine. Here in the USA... if they were to fly the old Red Russian flags...scowls, cringe, despise, shudder. Might as well fly a nazi flag. A Chinese flag? Some of us see it with much disdain, knowing it's socialist inspiration. It's red too. We see an all red flag, we think of the blood shed of it's people, victims for nothing. Death of their OWN people. Their OWN citizens. How about flying an old star/hammer flag in Russia? Probably not a good idea?


Yep, Russia is watching a dog fight in Ukraine, knowing it's not their land, and deciding to jump in and toss in some more dogs. Why not toss in some meat? I'm sure they'd appreciate that. What's to fight over? Russia doesn't want to expend financing to Ukraine? Russia wants "some" of Ukraine back? Ukraine is in danger? Of what/who? Really now, which story is it? Why is Russia invading the Ukraine, and boasting in proud debonair they are so kind? Probably because they are sore that Ukraine has done better without Russia and Russia is wanting that wonderful piece land back. We all see the arrogant Putin. He can't hide it. This whole thing reminds me of another Nazi regime.

And some of you wonder why so many are crying foul! ?

Sorry, but some of you are really really blind.

 

The Crimea is a Russian land. Crimea always was the Russian land.

 

I stopped reading after that statement. Worth do not spend a time.

 

What do the neo-nazis want for the country?

I understand Russia and the world don't want chaos in Ukraine. But the recent decisions of Crimea and Russia point to annexation, and, IMHO, every leader of any country will want more for his nation. Be it a direct annexation or just a simple advantage in commercial relations.

 

Does that feeling make it fair to annex Crimea? Maybe yes, maybe no. But it is very dangerous. Mongolia may claim Crimea was owned by Mongolian horsemen. Soon, England invades US. Maybe Germany invades Russia again? Brazil will invade Paraguai, Portugal invades Brazil, Spain invades Portugal and Italy invades Spain! lol
Maybe everything belongs to Babylonia?

 

Nothing. At least nothing announced, except they want the power. You and me can only guess what will happen if nazis will take the power.

Technically speaking, there is no annexation. That is propaganda. Crimea is the single region from the Ukraine, with remaining legitimate government. If they decide to separate, they may be called separatists.

That is not clear yet (for economy) what would be the result, if Crimea decides to separate. It may be for better, or it may be for worse. The only is clear - Russia has to spend a lot of money. The money, which they will have to get from own taxes.

 

interesting clip
deutsch


same in russian


cuts of peaceful demonstrants vs police

i'm not stating anything.

but the video says that the west filters these moments from the public.

 

Good point. Mexico and Canada are very unstable (looks like good prospect). I think we should help Mexico's coast become more secure. And, we need an easier pathway to Alaska through Canada that's safer to travel.

 

Now it makes sense. ....

 

And btw....

Fixed.


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I watched a lot of this footage in raw format weeks ago. I knew there was something going wrong with the non-violent police and mediocre protestors. It's so obvious.

Like I said from the beginning....leave them alone! That means America, Russia, Canada, Germany, Turkey, EU, whatever, etc. Putin jumps in, Kerry stirs the kettle, the media goes wild, and we fight about what we hear. Apparently it's working. Everyone needs to back away. My thought is that the Ukrainians are in trouble if they don't stop the outside meddling.

America is suspect, Russia can't be trusted, Canada wants: look at us! look at us!, EU is only interested in the money, Germany is ...who knows. It's all money, glory, and power.

Ukraine has a need for fuels but, they have to drill for it themselves. Having something like oil/gas to produce would help financially stabilize that nation. Wouldn't it make better sense to send companies/crews to the Ukraine and assist them with drilling/refining/processing? They would have a much better chance after all this present non-sense, protestors, activists, and Russia showing up. I've seen too little of the Ukraine to make a full judgement call but, I don't think Ukraine is defunct, far from it. There is something going on we have to wrap our minds around. I only hope and pray nothing of what I'm thinking will happen. It could get ugly.

Everyone should leave them alone. Stand back. Keep back. Those "Ukrainians" being paid to attack, will find their day of punishment for betraying for money. I find it difficult to watch those "riots". It's sad.

It's the duty of the rest of the Ukrainian people to put a stop to the drama and stabilize the situation. It can be called civil war. That's not a good option. We've been through that. But, we sure don't need America, EU, Canada, Russia getting into the mix. Not now. Maybe never. I think that the Ukraine is able to function. I don't care what limelight Kerry/ hussein obama, big head Putin, or bleeding heart Harper have to say they "care" about in Ukraine. It's not about helping the Ukraine. It's something more sinister. This olympics drama was something else, I have to admit. And now this.

I would think you all living closer to the people/friends/associations of Ukraine would see this is a lot of drama. There needs to be an urgency to LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE. Let's hope we all (USA included) don't screw this whole thing up.

 

I would rather in-prison cyber worriers together with their simple solutions.

Alternatively - issue the order for mandatory education in USA to learn what is Nazism. And who defeated it during WWII.

 

Not sure what you mean exactly but, the answer is no.

Nazism? Americans, Europeans, Russians, Chinese supported it. When it ran it's course, they ended it. The Jews suffered, the Germans suffered, the Russians suffered, the British suffered, the Japanese, God bless those poor souls, got it bad.

Quite simple.

Nazism: Power, Money, Control.
How to find Nazism: Look for citizens under control of their government.
How to stop Nazism: Armed citizens against it.

Or is that still too simple minded for you?

 

God bless US. Ideally blonde people.

 

God does not bless you. And why do we care if you are blonde? Because of the blonde color in your signature?

 

Special midget horse.....

Putin is 5' 5" tall 1.65m