Achtun, I have another idea, we could take Broz (he sleeps in the room next to mine, so that one is easy) and Spaceb (we could go to Argentina and take him there, we would only need to ask the first person in the street: "heya, spaceb's house, please?"). Once both are captive, we could tie with strong ropes their hands and feet, throw them both with a 500 kg stone tied to the neck into a deep swimming pool, if one of them floats, he's a cheater, if none does, well, then both where innocent and their good name would be restored, of course, we would make a nice funeral . Btw, I'm not kidding, I say this completely seriously .
it is criticism! the thing about creativity is, it doesn't come to me on demand... and also i want to say that (if ever) i won't criticise the idea of a member, but try to look for other possible changes resulting from any idea! for the idea of restricting me-262, especially the streak-dependant restriction: i don't fear for me, that i won't be able to reach a streak for 262 (i wouldn't be able, i fear ), but.... (see older threads, pls) so, even if not about i-153, i just got a creative flash... since i vote for random restriction, and since, for me, the major problem is the imbalance of red and gold when 262 is out, my idea is: restrict the 262 to the same amount, the respective red top plane is in air at the time, and also make 262 available earlier! let's say, we take p-51 for red-top. if i would log in and there are normal conditions (mb 23:23 players) and 10 p-51 in flight and 10 262 also, there is no 262 left for me. or: there are (still normal conditions) 20 p-51 in flight and golds have 20 262 in use, but reds suddenly think: "what a bull-shit", they can easily change to 2nd-best red plane (don't know, which it is) to be capable to reduce 262-appearance. for "abnormal conditions" like 80:3 (gold:red) it levels probably out itself, but definitely not due to 262.. if some golds fear, reds will abuse this "feature", it can be discussed, that not the "best" red plane (p-51), but the "most-loved" red plane (due to statistics, maybe) will be used as a measurement for restriction of 262. this will surely avoid problems with "emotional war-fare" i don't know, how it can be implemented... the calculation should be easy, but how to count the number of the "reference" (=most used red plane) continously and change the available number of 262 also? but maybe the idea is quite "neutral" and has good effects on balancing the numbers of gold/red also? finally: if me-262 is available for a longer time, even with restriction there are big chances for everybody to fly it, the ask for flying that plane wouldn't be so... "compressed"
KOOL Edinor, U bring Broz; I'll take Spaceb; We can save that stuff of guilty, innocent... We drawn them both at River Plate and go to have a very nice steak dinner at Buenos Aires!!! U'll never forget that!!!
AHAHAHAHA I would love it!! sure I'd love to go to Argentina and Brasil someday, If I ever have the money for the plane (or maybe I can borrow a b24 form FH ) we'll do that. But money..... now I want to buy a motorbike...
Hey, what's up here? I leave forum for some hours, and you're all planning my death? Mhhhhh, and even my brother!!! What do you think? that i'm a Roman Emperor, or what? (that would be nice..... )
Re: it is criticism! Hi Ledada, >for the idea of restricting me-262, especially the streak-dependant restriction: >i don't fear for me, that i won't be able to reach a streak for 262 (i wouldn't be able, i fear ), but.... (see older threads, pls) Streak 5 is enough for Me 262. I'd even agree to streak 3. >they can easily change to 2nd-best red plane (don't know, which it is) to be capable to reduce 262-appearance. 3 problems: 1) Red has a lot of equally capable planes in late war. P-38L, P-47D, P-51D, La-7, F4U-4 ... 2) People WILL fly the top planes and blame others for the resulting high numbers of jets. Bad vibrations. 3) How do you get a jet? By sitting in the tower and waiting for a jet pilot to die? More bad vibrations. >this will surely avoid problems with "emotional war-fare" With all the bad vibrations? Regards, Henning (HoHun)
lol broz, perdomo and me just "take off iron" to that affair.... translation: "quitando hierrro al asunto" hahahahahahaha
ahahhahaha, menos mal que das una traduccion, sino hubiese pensado que "despegabamos (take off) en un b24 lleno de bombas (que es pesado como un puto yunque de acero )" jajaja, vale, un mal chiste....
let's stay "other topic" hi ho-hun, for 1: for that problem i already suggested to take the most wanted red plane instead, counting the average use of red planes from the moment of 262-appearance on. for 2: if the actual number of the most-wanted red plane is the restricting equivalent for 262, any red can easily change that by chosing a different plane, if he starts to vibrate. he (the complaining pilot) then has exactly the power he should have: he as one can make one 262 vanish from the sky! for 3: i don't know, how you would get a jet in that case! if this will happen, it should be easy for reds to win the war several times: simply reds have to use many different planes and when 30 golds will sit in towers to get one of the 3 available 262s, even 10 reds can easily cap one field after the other against 3 golden 262... and for the bad vibrating 30 golds i can't do anything maybe the vibration and waiting will lead to more "playing the game" again... btw: how do you get a jet with streak-restriction? for me, i have in average a running streak of 1-2. should i start to fly high, only b&z, don't help in critical situations or maybe vulching is the best idea for easy kills? and the vibration when being killed just before the streak has been earned (ok, i am not interested in 262 so much, but...)? this is of course a bad scenario! therefore i think, it would be a good choice to restrict the number of 262 to the respective number of most-wanted-red-plane (mwrp in the following). the restriction would be based mainly on the number of reds playing (good for balance) and would show the result, that both sides fly the same number of their mwp's (assuming 262 is mwgp) for any upcoming bad vibrations because of the equality of mwp's, the golden vibrator is to blame and will be punished with 5 escorts for a ju88 in follow. still i think, a restriction should not base on anyone's way of playing. if necessary for balance, it should be randomly. your points 1-3 don't convince me that my idea is bad. i can't see any possible increase of "bad vibrations". it would give dynamic restriction and would be more effective in regard of balance than streak-restrict. still there could be aspects i haven't seen, comments? ps: i just saw a big mistake! the header of my first post has not meant to be: "it is criticism!", but "it is not criticism!"... oh, oh, please forgive me and correct in mind i hate typing
Re: let's stay "other topic" Hi Ledada, >the most wanted red plane instead That's the problem: There's little performance difference from the most wanted to the 2nd best. The gap between Me 262 and the 2nd best is much bigger though. >he (the complaining pilot) then has exactly the power he should have: he as one can make one 262 vanish from the sky! So making the sacrifice of taking up a plane he doesn't like, "the complaining pilot" immediately spots two guys using the most wanted plane as jabo. 2 more jets - so he probably doesn't care about careful plane selection any more. The streak idea is based on personal responsibility - your actions influence your own situation. The "most wanted" idea is based on group responsibility - everyone's actions influence everyone's situation. Players always go for their personal advantage, so it's bound to fail. >maybe the vibration and waiting will lead to more "playing the game" again... No way - it will be "Why does X get to fly a jet 3 times in a row while I wait for 30 min without success? He's a cheater!" etc. etc. etc. >for me, i have in average a running streak of 1-2. should i start to fly high, only b&z, don't help in critical situations or maybe vulching is the best idea for easy kills? I don't know why everyone assumes a streak requires lone eagle behavior! 1) Fly to win. BnZ or TnB doesn't matter - just win. 2) Cooperation is great. It's easier to get a kill in a 2 vs 2 than in a 1 vs 1. 3) Helping others is even better - their attacker is predictable and an easy target. 4) Helping others who want to survive is yet better again - they won't suddenly dive into enemy ack, or into a low furball where you'd both be killed. 5) Vulching gives no easy kills as it's done at low altitude, over an enemy spawn point, in the face of enemy ack, deep in enemy territory. Vulchers kill quickly, but they can die just as quickly. If you got an average streak of 1 - 2, your maximum streak is probably around 5 so you get jet access regularly. I'd think that's better than 8 hours (which might be during your local nighttime) of jets for all with imbalanced numbers and loud whining on 100. >and the vibration when being killed just before the streak has been earned (ok, i am not interested in 262 so much, but...)? Personal responsibility. Noone will flame you for losing your own streak. You will get flamed for giving the enemy another jet though. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
about me262 hi hohun, the "most wanted red plane" (mwrp) is not the "best" red plane. the performance difference between the mwrp and the second best has nothing to do with this idea. the performance has nothing to do with it. and also the gap between the me262 and the 2nd best hasn't anything to do with it. the "most wanted red plane" is only a counter! i don't understand what you will say? 2 more jets? yes, indeed, the whole life is based on personal responsibility! there is no responsibility in my idea! it is nothing that anyone has to take care about! it is about balance! if somebody thinks, he can influence something, then he can try without problem! he will only be able to change numbers (one) and not balance! cheater? ho-hun, you try to use the most discussed negative word for argeuing, where there is nothing to cheat! not very nice... not everyone and not me think like this, but some do for a streak! for 1: i never fly to loose! i never would ask anybody for it! for 2: cooperation is great! yes, my hand for it! but 1vs1 is also great! i want everybody to keep playing as he wants! for 3: i am not talking of helping a friend when he is attacked by one con, you know! i am talking of the good feeling to help with not definitely knowing you can get an easy kill! for 4: the same... i don't think of helping suicidal friends! for 5: have you never been at a vulching party? i don't know if i explained so bad: i said "more than 8 hours" available is also integrated in the idea, because there are no imbalanced numbers. the chance that 50 golds are not flying, but waiting, is ridiculous low... we had already a restricted number of me262 and nothing like this happened. again sorry, for this is not about i-15 anymore. i really don't bother about flying jets or not, but i don't like any rule that is in favour for a specific way of playing. i like meeting reds and golds, dogfighters and strategical pilots, organized squads and lone marshals, buff-raids and radar-observers. i thought i had been creative , but maybe i can't see the mistakes anymore i will keep it for that now, maybe until the next "me262"-thread will come up again .
Re: about me262 Hi Ledada, >the performance difference between the mwrp and the second best has nothing to do with this idea. the performance has nothing to do with it. and also the gap between the me262 and the 2nd best hasn't anything to do with it. That's mad. Variety in red plane choice limits the number of gold jets? What's the logic in that? >i don't understand what you will say? A red who doesn't like jets will hate other reds taking the mwrp, give up on your idea since it doesn't help him, fly the mwrp himself against swarms of jets, and in the end nothing will have changed. >there is no responsibility in my idea! it is nothing that anyone has to take care about! You're wrong - see above. >cheater? ho-hun, you try to use the most discussed negative word for argeuing, where there is nothing to cheat! not very nice... Be realistic. Your idea will give players another reason to call each other cheaters for no reason. >for 1: i never fly to loose! My comment aimed at BnZ vs TnB. Flying for a streak doesn't mean you have to BnZ. >i want everybody to keep playing as he wants! Streak-based aircraft availability doesn't force you to fly any differently. >i am talking of the good feeling to help with not definitely knowing you can get an easy kill! I'm saying easy kills are a good reason for helping others. Don't think streak flying means not helping anyone anymore! >have you never been at a vulching party? The danger in vulching is real. Quick kills, yes, but easy kills only if you ignore the danger. >the chance that 50 golds are not flying, but waiting, is ridiculous low... That was your suggestion, anyway. Still, there will be people who don't get a jet and flame the luckier jet pilots for it. >i really don't bother about flying jets or not, but i don't like any rule that is in favour for a specific way of playing. The streak rule doesn't favour any specific way of playing. It just awards survival, no matter how you played. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
oh, is it not the same plane? hi spaceb, indeed, wrong place for 262-discussion... but it has become an economic 2in1-thread hi ho-hun, forgive me, if i won't answer... but i don't want to have the last word and i don't feel a need for that. i really don't mean to lower the worth of your arguments, although i can't see anything strong against my idea. it is up to others, if they are interested in that subject. surely i will reconsider your opinion many times, different times mean deifferent views. in this way
Simple solution Hi everyone, I don't want to drag this out but I feel I must say something. The simplest solution is to give the jet 24 hours RL time per ToD. That way pilots who are asleep or working when the jet would normally appear would get at least some chance to fly it. I missed the last Jet time because I work weekends and the jet was available only while I was at work. If it were available for 24 hours I could have flown for at least an hour or two. Not much more this last time, unfortunately, because I had to go to work the next day as well. But at least I would have gotten the opportunity. Extending Jet beyond the 24 hour time frame could be done through a points system. And what about a refuel re-arm pad. If you have been flying the Jet and it is still intact, you could land refuel, and rearm, then take off again. That way you wouldn't have to worry that because you are exiting your plane someone else would take the only availabe Jet from under you. I know I am full of crazy ideas, but the 24 hour one is the most realistic. 3 months of war time for the JET.
about the refueling: erm, snoop... to be honest, in AH they have modeled such things, and in the past - on these forums - there have been multiple people suggesting such system, and it never has come through... I don't recall what the argumentation against it was... but they are the admins, and they make the policy, so I'm afraid that they'll call a halt to it greetze, Zembla
