This german armorers wallchart (7.3.43) shows ammunitions for different cannon. I can't prove much more. http://www.xdrive.com/cgi-bin/FileLoad/public/chart2.jpg You can see there is no HE for hispano, only icendiary(termit.) and AP(panzerbrandgr.) Hispano Suiza II, Incendiary ammo Weight 129g Inc. filling 4.2g 880m/s Hispano Suiza II, AP ammo Weight 124g 880m/s MG151/20,MG/FF, Inc. ammo Weight 115g Inc. filling 2.1g 720m/s, 585m/s MG151/20, MG/FF, Mgeschuss(HE) ammo weight 92g Explosive filling 19g nitropenta(120%TNTeffect) 790m/s, 690m/s MG151/20, MG/FF, AP ammo mostly phosphor warhead ammo look yourselves. So this what i been saying. No HE for hispano until mid 1945. Now here is proves. I would be happy if you prove me wrong, please send info about hispano. see you online! ------------------ -illo- Sorry i see my link doesnt work if you want chart i can send it to you. laatokka@hotmail.com [This message has been edited by illo (edited 23 September 2000).]