Ok, as hard as I can to not to confront you that hard you are pushing it. Oh please do not go in to Vietnam issue or [sarcasam]"us victory"[/sarcasam]. Tibet is China's kosovo, so part of China. Would you allow Texas to part from states? Why Quebequa's effort to gain independence of Quebec from Canada for years, remine futile?... of coarse Canada will never say yes lol. Why Serbian Republic as a 1/2 teritory of newadays Bosnia can't gain independence, and Bosnia was suported by powder and lead ( depleated possibly ) to part from former yugoslavia? But that is something else, what I really meant to say is this. China will never sit in boats then travel across the globe and engage in open warr to liberate part of god forbiden land somewhere at the end of the world, at least their History talks in that name.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/apr1999/uran-a13.shtml May 7 "48. In an 11:20-11:40 a.m. cluster bomb attack on the Nis airfield in southeast Serbia, fourteen civilians are killed and twenty-eight are wounded. Those killed are .... Cluster bomblets fall in three areas: near the Pathology building of the Nis Medical Center in southeast Nis; in the town center near the Nis University Rector's Office, including the area of the central city market place, the bus station near the Nis Fortress, and the "12 February" Health Center; and near a car dealership and the "Nis Express" parking lot across the river from the fortress. Unexploded bomblets are reported on Ljube Nenadovica St., Sumatovacka St., Franca Rozmana St., and Anete Andrejevic St. It is reported that "there are several hundred unexploded cluster bombs in the city center."233 Initial Yugoslav government reports state that fifteen civilians are killed and more than sixty are wounded.234 Later reports state thirteen civilians are killed and twenty-nine are wounded, eighteen gravely and eleven lightly. The Yugoslav government also reports that 120 housing units are damaged and forty-seven destroyed, and that fifteen passenger cars are also destroyed.235 NATO confirms that it attacked the Nis airfield on May 7.236 There are other reports that the Jugopetrol fuel storage depot in northwest Nis is also targeted.237 On May 8, NATO Secretary General Solana states that it "NATO has confirmed that the damage to the market and clinic was caused by a NATO weapon which missed its target. This strike was directed against the Nis airfield utilizing cluster munitions. The attack was aimed at destroying Serbian aircraft which were parked on the airfield, air defence systems and support vehicles, targets to which cluster munitions are appropriately suited. Once again of course civilian casualties were never intended and NATO regrets the loss of life and injuries inflicted." NATO states that U.S. aircraft dropped CBU-87 cluster bombs in the airfield attack. According to NATO Maj. Gen. Walter Jertz says: "I can tell you that we did not target-repeat we did not target-civilian hospitals and we do not target any civilian targets whatsoever." He further states: "We were using cluster bombs on the Nis target because, as I already mentioned, cluster bombs are used in aerial targets where we know that collateral damage could not occur, and it would be speculation if I would continue on the reason why some of the clusters obviously did go astray, maybe because of atechnical malfunction or they could have been inadvertently released."238 According to U.S. Air Force sources, the intended target was the airfield and the cluster bomb container failed to open over the airfield, but opened right after release, projecting submunitions to a great distance. Human Rights Watch visited the sites on August 11, inspected the damage and interviewed eyewitnesses. There were two areas where civilians were killed: near the town marketplace on Anete Andrejevic, Sumatovacka, and Jelene Dimitrijevic streets near the Nisava river; and near the Clinical Center on Ljube Nenadovica street. The closest to the airfield is more than 1.5 kilometers from the base perimeter; the Clinical Center is close to six kilometers from the airfield. Eyewitnesses also said that several people were injured at the "12 February" Health Center on Jelene Dimitrijevic street."(Human Right Watch Report) I want to ask, cos i read a lot of NATO brifings, how it is impossible so many malfunction of equipment as NATO said, how it is possible that pilots where lost or come to wrong coordinates or they think that they are at right one, how it is possible that laser guidet missle mis more then 500m, or how it is possible that Clusters bombs miss Nis airfield beatwen 1.5 and 6km. Do you have supreme tehnology and well trained TOP GUN PILOTS or it is one more USA BULL SHIT War at Kosovo wasn't about Muslim fundamentalist it was about Kosovo secession from Serbia. As I know for my self Albanians first want that Kosovo become a Republic (and that was imposible due Ex Yugoslavian constitution and Serbian too)They first try a non agresiv resistance ( citizen disobedient: they didnt pay taxes had paralel sistems like scools, university, medical care,...) and lider of that was Ibrahim Rugova but when this didn't success most of them try agresiv one and that was a military formation caled UCK, but now they didn't want an Republic but Independant State. War in Bosnia was part against Muslim fundamentalisam and part that Serbs had right by SFRY constitution to chose a Republick whit in to live. That was same in war in Croatia but with out Muslim fundamentalist. This is my opinion and if some one want to know more I'll be glad to explain my point of view.
I think you're wrong here. China is a threat to you (and me for that matters). Cheap labor means that more jobs are drifted to those countries. Paying customers? For how long? Less jobs, more unemployed people. Less taxes to goverment to run the show. Less paying customers. Even in US. Usually it wouldn't be such problem ( f.e. there's a growing number of polish construction workers in Finland, (cheaper than finn workers) but I heard that polish companies are getting their workers from Hungary (cheaper than polish guys...) but China has a really, really lot of those "cheap" workers, and it will ruin many economies before they start to cost too much...
Or the South Koreans? (Hey, lucky them, the US won that one for the South Koreans cause at that time there were no defeatist and traitorous Hippies around back home). Or any other country which wanted to live by itself, like Poland, but ended up in the socialist / commie paradise? I want you to appreciate one thing, Jebac. I strongly dislike socialism and socialists, or their more fierce variation, the communists. Be carefull with that brotherly hug. You worry about evil capitalism allowing for too much power of Bill Gates at Microsoft and the like. Microsoft is an enterprise. It can go down by market forces tomorrow. Look at the two or so guys who came up with Google. Back in the 90s, I was one of the few people in my environment who knew Google and thought it was good. Many other still used crappy local search engines and never heard of Google. Today, only a few years later, Google is in the position of making Bill Gates sleep less well in the night. Welcome to capitalism. It is sick that you don't trust capitalism (which ultimately means the power of the lowest and such numerically superior demander, i.e. everday Joe, i.e. the PEOPLE) and worry about individual enterprises and Microsoft's Internet Explorer etc., but would be fine with a system that grants ultimate power of ALL things to the STATE, while harboring the naive believe that this ULTIMATE STATE POWER would really care about the well-being of the individual, and not its own self-sustaining power hungry agenda. Socialists and Commies believe they are fighting for justice, but in the end all they do is looting everybody, dismantling any motivation for enterprise the individual might come up with, DISTRUSTING and in fact DENYING the individual, which indeed is a crime against mankind, all while granting ULTIMATE power to the state. I hate socialism. It is a lie that big that the snake in the Garden of Eden couldn't have told it any better. Be easy on that hugg. I give the Serbs a point because when I count 1 and 1 together, and see a Muslim community comming up with a rebel army trying to seperate, I tend to give it twice a look these days before damning the ones who might have a problem with that. And really, the world might be steering into a direction where THAT topic will be what matters, especially once the Islamists get hold of the Nuke. Also, much of the damning which was going on against Serbia simply seemed out of proportion. I always tend to get suspicious when everybody is damning someone, while you get to hear no perspective from the one who is getting damned. It smells like ignorant collectivism, and I hate that. That is all.
404 error Sucks to be the people who ate a long bomb but shit happens. Now the question I have is who dropped it, and what was their delivery profile. As for weapons working as they should, there is a lot of proof of that.
Taiwan, Taiwan, Taiwan! American companies that work with mainland China at the expense of American industrial interests are traitors. Unfortunately, that means that almost all American companies are traitorous.
DZIVDZAN, i like ur article but... i found an article that said that slavs are called "slavs" because they are destined to be slaves... and that the nordic race is vastly superior to other races due to the parabolic shaping of the skull over their brain's frontal lobe, creating constructive brainwave resonance it was from a nazi site but that doesnt matter if i agree with it, right?
I read it, and couldn't stop laughing at the site owner, World Socialist Web Site. I almost expected to see Pravda ver 2.0. NATO never denied using it, and the little that the US did use they did clean up. One of the Serbian tanks killed by 30mm DU rounds sits on one of the bases, and is completely safe to climb on. The DU used during the 1st Gulf War did make some of our own people sick. Soldiers are soldiers, regardless of who they belong to, and they climbed inside of destroyed Iraqi tanks to look around, before they had been decontaminated. No one climbed inside of a destroyed Serbian tanks before deconamination, and there were no more problems. If Greece is recording higher emissions of crap in the air it is coming from FYROM and Kosova. Someone should teach them what a sanitation system is, and to quit saving everything until Ramadan where they mass burn it in the open. The province smells like a toliet and is unsanitary; We do our own weekly air-quality test, and a wide range of countries read our results, including Serbia. Do you have the current figures for birth defects, still births, etc for the provience? I know that it was very high when I was there, due to the unsanitary conditions. The majority of locals had never heard of an OBGYN, and the cervical cancer death rate was very high. Many were equally amazed at the numerous innoculations we recieved and how often we spent cleaning ourselves and our equipment. It was a mystery to them, even after we explained it. I have to give credit, the Serbian locals were cleaner than their Albanian/Roma neighbors.
Man, if it is true what djivdjan talking, to use Depleted Uranium munition and graphite bombs stinks big time. As for Bosnia I know for sure that some kind of shit was used there since ( god i hate to repeat my self ) the number tyroid gland problems and cancers grow up enormously.
Yes, they prefer to invade nearby places (invasion of Vietnam in 1979, aiding North Korean aggression in 1950).
LOL yeah we have increased cancer rate deaths in Bosnia in Serbia due to just suddenly lack of saintary education, not because of Radiation. Man you are so transparent and very skilled in game theory.
You get that from all of the debries of war. lead wall paint particles that are blown through the air and get picked up by the wind, carconogenic materials which are used in construction of buildings, different weapons, etc, etc. Add to that a very poor health care standard compared to modernized countries and the sharp rise in major illness is easy to understand. Even with modern western standards of medical care, and all of the innoculations and medical checks that we recieve, many become sick simply because the place is so unsanitary. DU is very nasty, and once was used against armored targets. Now tungsten "which is also carconogenic but not as much as DU" is being used more often than DU. RudeBoy... No wow needed, I am not taking one side or the other but I will point out what I have noticed. Why they were cleaner I do not know, they just were.
At that site they clame a cruise missiles (Tomahawk)are with DU and a lot of them are hited centres of towns like Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis, .... . During a NATO agresion on Serbia we were informed why is DU used in some rounds. Now we have oficials reports that is number of different cancers is rapidly incrised in last few yers. DU is alfa emiter not gama ray.Gama rays need less time to show their effects and with Alfa prticles the time is higer. As I'm informed the Alfa particles are mor dangerous cos it can become a part of your body you can bring them in to your body by eating food, drinking wather or breathing air poluted with Alfa particles. Emission of crap from Bosnia's coal power plant can be detected in Romania. Sand from Sahara desert can be found in Caribians. Don't 70% or more of all NATO attasks against VJ was at Kosovo. So if Greece detects some craps it can be only from near by countries, and only in one near by countri was war. Last data show that 1.5t of DU ammo fired in South Serbia and 15t at Kosovo at 112 locationa, but is that real number? AND YOU CLEAN IT ALL!! WTG. SORRY I HAVE TO INFORME YOU: YOU FORGOT TO CLEAN 1.5t in SOUTH SERBIA Hmmmm cancerogenic wall paint (a lot of people in Serbia in their houses use lime paint for inside walls some use standard wall paint and I know it isn't cancerogenic cos I didn't got it) also we use only clay brick and concreet for ours bildings and as I know they didn't cancerogenic too cos I live in one such bilding. Also we have good medical care too and helt standards. What we have to do to prove that we don't live in Stone Age and that we don't have that kind of thinking (if we are from Stone Age we should use som stone wepons) Graphite bombs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb
Serbian enclave in Orahovac is an enclave in the southeastern part of Kosovo province. 470 Serbs (as of 2005) and non-Albanians, mostly Roma people, live in this enclave. These people are free to move within an area 500 meters in diameter, with only four streets in the city guarded for them. But I'll we added to this wiki statments that Serb who live in Orahovac don't want to go out of their yard even during day light. They need KFOR escort to go to the Serbian doctors, when go to buy food and their childrens can't go to school. There isn't Serbian doctor in Orahovac, or food/suply shop too. Dude they live in safty parimeter surounded with barbwire. It is miricle they survived till now and you talk about sanitation and health care. Only Serbs at Nort Kosovo can walk free.
I am not sure whoo and in what eyes was agresor and who defender but we will skip on that one.... If you were so keen to "help" South korea against North korea why the hell you didn't help to those 19% of serbs ( who didn't want any changes, they just wanted to stay at their properties and ancestor's lands 'shires' ) from bosnia to defend them self. Instead you satanized them through media and then came and DU-'em! Now remember here I am talking only about those "19%" of serbs from bosnia, I am not going any wider geographically speaking. [skip]Iraq[/skip] [skip]Vietnam[/skip]
ROTFLMAO a cruise missile that contains DU. A graphite bomb, LMFAO! Would you prefer us to carpet bomb a city or use a harmless munition? Serbs being guarded behind barbwire? Where?
