Battle of Britain Scenario ? test frame Sun, Oct. 03 - Summary

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  1. RedBull

    RedBull Well-Known Member

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    Battle of Britain Scenario ? test frame Sun, Oct. 03

    ?Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many
    to so few.?

    [​IMG]

    So test event is over - hope you all had fun :)
    This will help scenario team for build mission design for true BoB campaign.

    Thx all for help, especially Admins, COs and testpilots.

    Pls write your experiences, impressions, etc. here. We will provide some stats and results here asap.

    pls report:

    kills/killed
    hited/destroyed trgts
    gunnery/bomb efficiency
    fuel left when landed

    <S>


    note: if you took any screenshots or tracks - pls post here

    Update Oct 04. 13GMT

    Prelease results from arena logs - thx for Breedr for provide it:

    http://fhscenarios.pspace.cz/?c_id=51

    There you can find progressed webpage for the FH scenarios. We want most of info publish there, so check regularly.
     
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  2. Eddiev

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    One Hurricane down and 1 assist.
    RTB Safely. i really think that was a good scenario! a typical BOB Furball.
    But i Think that Hurricane I was an obsolet fighter. poor firepower and speed, but a good maneuver.
    109E4 still a good fighter as ever. WTG all, very good scenario!
     
  3. Count

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    Entered in last minute, ordered to gr3, flying on spit. Previous leader, suchyv disconnected, i was ordered to command group 3. After take off followed in wedge formation to channel. Radar operator, vectorized us to enemy group. Group 1 dives on cons, we stay hi. Short time after... Battle goes to sea level, i ordered dandys follow me and ciehom+mintau attack cons. But they go low and i lost them, but spotted Ju-87. D3. Fire... Junker lost stab, but still controlled, dandys chasing him to groud, but 87 successfully ditched. Climbing in ditrection where less dots. 2 109 and spit. 109 climbing after attack, turning, but never finish this move, PK :) Second 109 disappeared, and i lost vis with dandys. Tigrou dancing with 87, nice pair, lets help him... oops, 109 hi... turns, zooms etc... 87 and 109 going home, time is almost over. Dandys says he almost landed. Going to f20, hmm, where field? Only 2 bright streaks, ok, i can land here. Later i check map and was surprised: f20 was convoy :)
     
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    Yeah, was a great experience - Fighting came to the deck and soon there were planes all over the place.

    Flew the Bf109E-4, got 3 Spitfires and 2 assists, landed safely at F17 - I was more worried about time left than my fuel which was a bit less than 25% on landing.

    Again, <S> and wtg all!

    :cheers:
     
  5. Pikkot

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    So, I preety sucked. I made few mistakes so we had many casulties(including me). 2 assists. We had problems with finding enemy (was told to go N, where we found only one enemy ju87) the other golds were devasting target. We made small circle to get met them. I think it was preety balanced. Next time we need good CO who will be designated before.
     
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    Ok, I watched my track and made a list of all kills shown by '-HOST-'

    -tilt- killed by hkloss
    --ben- killed by Ack Weenies
    mosche killed by ---xar
    theaxe killed by ---xar
    ziomek killed by hjm---
    -bish- killed by cdtemp
    ziomek killed by Ack Weenies
    -zero- killed by burnme
    cdtemp killed by scratc
    pikkot killed by golzac
    lean--- killed by quigon
    shrekk killed by hjm---
    guaraa killed by -cbfs-
    vojtas killed by hkloss
    mintau killed by golzac
    --ms-- killed by -glas-
    -mar-- killed by -cbfs-
    doggy- killed by fatale
    hkloss killed by vojtas
    nubi-- killed by fatale
    fatale killed by -cbfs-
    hugoba killed by mavvri
    ziomek killed by sonar-
    suchyv killed by sonar-
    burnme killed by count-
    raxxx killed by badger
    --ms-- killed by badger
    ---xar killed by eddiev
    hmack ZIOMEK killed by frog--

    These are all in the 'order of dissapearance', lol. I landed in the nick of time, so I don't believe there were any more kills made.

    :)
     
  7. vought

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    Damnit, i lost my alredy 2 page written summary. AGHHR.
    Here we go again.
    I was the CO of the 303rd Squadron, stationed at F2 containing 11 pilots,
    equiped with hurricanes I, also called the F2 Group.
    The pilots formidebly were devided into typical 3 man wings. With 9 piilots at
    a moment we created 3 wing, 1st wing lead by me, 2nd lead by Rax, and 3rd lead by Vipe. 1 more pilot joined later and was added to wing 2, and 1 more joined just after we took off and was assigned to wing 3. (he reported radiator malfuncion just before we rolled and was delayed)
    Our group was designated to patrol the area S of Portsmouth, protect the port, and the radar stations located on the Wight Island.
    We headed S, climbing steep and at about 6000feet ground control directed us to first contact at SW direction.
    Continuing to climb soon 2 dots were spotted. With about 9000ft altitude 1 was higher and 1 about the same level.
    we headed W to meet them and soon the enemy was recognized. 2 Bf 109 flew by and began to turn. Knowing that they are not the main wave, and that i cant allow them to bother the whole squadron i ordered the 2nd wing to engage the decoy. Just after that we got a report about a large enemy formation just W of us.
    So the reamaining 7 planes continued West and the second wing was ordered to deal with the enemy quickly and join the rest as fast as posible.
    And soon, we encoutered multiple dots ahead of us. 2 formations, 1 at our
    altitude containing 5-6 planes and a second group 3kft highr and behind them.
    With the obvious situation we heasted to engage the bombers on our lvl.
    But just when we got close the ju87s dived onto the petrol instalations located 5 miles W of Portsmouth. They droped the bombs and i decided to throw the 3rd wing at them while the 1st wing waited for the enemy escorts reaction. The 109s did not engage and soon, some of the stuka bombers went down. Then the enemy escorts engaged, droping on me and my wingmen. We were not suprized and hard evasive manouvers saved us. Meanwhile some of the escorts droped onto the 3rd wing pilots allowing me and my squadis to engage them. At the same time the 2nd wing joined the fray after shoting down one and suposedly scaring off the second lonely and damaged 109.
    So a one big furball emerged. With the remnants of the stuka bombers at 3000 feet and lower,above them 3rd wing engaging the 109s that droped on them, 1st wing engaging these 109's and under atack by the highest enemies, with the 2nd wing joining from the East.
    I must say the enemy kept its advantage well staying at high altitude and
    droping on unawary potential targets. But our hurricanes allowed us to make
    evasives to hard for the 109s to follow and the constant six calling of the
    groups kept our losses to a minimum damage.
    For about 5 minutes we furballed, and we fought in despair to stay alive trying to damage any of the superior Luftwaffe planes.
    I cant realy tell what happened next, my wing got separated fighting some
    fritzes SE of the refinery. We lost about 2-3 planes, 1 due friendly AA fire.
    Some had to disengage due to damage. At least 2 confirmed kills were reported.
    We rejoined the furball over the Wright Island, me and Wing Commander Rax realized we are getting badly outnumbered. Just then Redbull ordered that everyone has to RTB. I was low on ammo and just when i shot the last bullet i headed home. Many Gold airplanes were around F2 and they took out many of our hurricanes while withdrawing. I was the last of my group to land, and it seems that we took many casulties. They were all still over F2 when the 5 minute dealine was anounced. I dont have the full report from all the pilots, but these are the following gathered.
    sortie:takeoff F2, assist, light damage, landed f2.
    sortie:takeoff F2, assist, light damage, landed f2.
    sortie:takeoff F2, taken light damage, landed f2.
    sortie:takeoff F2, taken light damage, landed f2.
    sortie:takeoff F2, ju87 shot down, ju87 shot down, KIA
    sortie:takeoff F2, 109 shot down, 109 shot down, KIA
    sortie:takeoff F2, KIA by ack fire.
    sortie:takeoff F2, 109 shot down, KIA

    At least 4 confirmed kills, and at least 4 KIA, but the unreported were KIA most probably.
    The outcome is satysfying especialy we had quite obsolete to the Emil, hurricanes.
    I think we could put up a better fight if we engaged the enemy earlier with more altitude.

    Glad the scenario worked out and it was fun. Still i have 3 complains. 1st: while in a big fight, i had bad warps and beacon flicks, i dont supose it was my connection problem.
    2nd: i dont understand why we were ordered to rtb so soon, and why the enemy was bogging us not rtbing themselves (prolly cuz they were winning)
    3rd: the friendly ack fire should be taken care of.

    PS.High Hopes for the scenario caompaing serie to start next week.
     
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  8. vought

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    Ok revised the outcome with the data from the track.
    My squad lost 10 airplanes, but 1 pilot took off and died twice, and 1 pilot took off and died even three times (once by own ack) accoring from the record.
    I dont know if they were allowed to takeoff again if they were KIA, suposedly not.
    In this case we lost 7 planes and shot down 4.
    Ground control, give us more Angels next time :)
     
  9. sonar-

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    kills 2 killed 0, no any dmg.
    +1 con with heavy damage (12x20mm) probably landing or was killed by other.
    Gunnery about 20-25%
    disco before landing =( About 30% fuel left.
     
  10. Glas

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    1 kill, 1 assist. Took off from F19 up towards F2 (?) and over the Isle of Wight. After stukas had dropped bombs, we entered a major furball. Only against hurricanes, no spitfires were spotted at all. Because of this, the fighting was quite comfortable, except for my wingman dieing in a HO. Only damage was to the nose guns.

    The testing was excellent btw, some minor bugs (friendly ack fire) to iron out, but on the whole it was damn realistic!

    Thanks for all the hard work :)

    -glas-
     
  11. -frog-

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    I was assigned as a element of the 303rd sq's 1st wing. I flew in flight #1 along with ziomek and vought (ch21). After engaging enemy escorts i scored multiple 7mm hits over 3 enemy 109's, one of which later resulted in awarding me an assist over 109 piloted by vojtas. Jammed guns and damage of aileron controlls forced me to rtb, after I notified my flight leader I left the furball and succesfully landed in home base (field f2).

    so: kills: 0, assists: 1, landed slightly damaged

    This score is already included in Vought's report, as I stayed long enough to report all the necessary data to the Flight leader.

    BTW- can anyone bring up the list of those, who haven't landed? I suppose that there were many pilots from both sides, who didn't landed in time. Some of kills came so late, that it was impossible even for the reds to fully rtb. The rules according to this were clear from the beginning, so I think there should be more "killed" or "MIA" pilots listed in this summary.

    BTW2- great work! and a nice change in normal "FH-procedure"... I had loads of fun, even if it was too short imho :)
     
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    1:sortie , 1: assist, no dmg but unfortnately crashed during landing :(
     
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    109e4: 0 kills, 1 assist, landed w/o damage
     
  14. fatale

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    1x109 and 1xju87 dwn, then bailed because i lost my elev and ailerons (damn cbfs :nono: :O)) )

    only 199x7 for both kills and some hits in other planes (about 3-4), its very good :super:

    when i was dwned, i've had about 1/3 fuel and 56% ammo
     
  15. tigrou

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    we took off from f5 in 3x4 spits, and climbed to channel. this was very realistic, i felt exactly what explained P Closterman in "le grand cirque"
    we climbed very high, so it was difficult to spot low bandits. finaly we (2nd group) were the last spit group to engage.first dive i lost my leadder and rest of group, i chased a ju (mixer) alt near 0, hited him, be hited by his gunner, then count appeared too and mixer' ditched, then i spotted an other ju, engeged him until a fast 109 come in erea. i leaved the ju and climbed taking care of the 109. count apeared again so after few maneuvers, i rtb to ju evading, he headed french coast, in the middle of channel, i rtb red lamp, the sky was clear, i ditched empty fuel near friendly field.
    conclusion: big fun, we need more alt info from rdr opérators, killing a ju87 needs a lot of hits.
    spit group didn't engage much 109's,and was far away hurri's furball.
    spit took off too late to intercept cons before they drop bombs.
    IS it possible to have an other free chanel radio?
    ex: 101 for reds, xx for main spit group, yy for each spit group
     
  16. HJM---

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    LW Fighter group, 109E4: 2 kills, 1 badly damaged.
    Rtb'ed safely w/o dmg.

    Very good atmosphere, close to RL. Will try to write more on the subject later.
    WTG and waiting for 1-st frame!
     
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    ju87: take off f19 - 2x rdr isle of wight - 2x rdr truelight - 1 assist - landed f17 - fuel near 0
    great THX to my covers -tilt- skyjum and helmut
     
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    Sitting in a Ju87 otr F17 I nervously watched the radio for orders, as all around other planes prepared for the off...my first scenario experience seemed to be a chaotic scramble when our lead called over the radio "ROLL"

    Soon we were all up and mixer called Ju87's to him. As I began to manouver into position behind our lead, the chaos of takeoff dissolved into order over the English channel. Our 109-E escorts formed in rottes under the command of airgem and as our band of Stukas began to search out targets over the Dover coastline I felt as safe as I had been over Calais.

    Then came the order over the radio, "BISH in first target", a hint of nervous tension then as I scanned the ground far below for a radar station. I prepared bombs and signalled to mixer I was ready, swiftly he called a target at 12 o'clock and I dived. The dive seemed to take forever as I attacked the radar site, I took my time taking aim scoring a direct hit and down for a long time. Time to climb.

    I looked up and realised I could not rejoin my group, in an instant I thought to level off at a lower altitude and follow the main body of aircraft. I could scan the long six of the group and hopefully form up with some other stukas after they had attacked their targets. As I chased the group full throttle I scanned the skies around, nervous now, I felt exposed flying alone...and then I saw them! A high, tight group, wheeling around my 8-7 o'clock in the sun. I watched for a short time, had our 109's broke off to the rear of the group? Then the dots began to dive into my 6, still too far to identify, but surely our 109's would not give away alt for a lone plane. I had to radio a warning, "dots... high my 7 in the sun" I called. The dots were definately into me and giving away altitude, I lowered my nose a little, they were going to have to chase hard and lose alt to get near me, and maybe our 109's would then have the edge. This was definately an attack, "109's check low 6 cons", and in what seemed like an instant I identified the enemy on my 6. In a rush I called this over the radio and manouvered hard to survive the first wave, hearing hits slam into me as they passed. I had to ignore the enemies that passed me as I checked 6 to see a con saddling up on me, I eased my plane into position to give my rear gunner a good shot and could hear him firing. The con dropped low 6 and I gently nosed up to give my gunner another chance. Loosing E, and with cons diving into me I tried to roll and turn hard...BANG!

    PK
    Dar down 9999 - 1x250

    A short, but great first time experience for me... nice to have this practice run. Thanks to all involved in preparing this scenario.
     
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    sry, i know, iam very bad leader... :dunno: :O)
     
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    :) didn 't want to mean that. btw, i'm rdy for test lead next time. when?

    and HB fatale
     
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