German WW2 gunnery test link

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by illo, Jun 2, 2000.

  1. illo

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    check here:
    http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/njg_stat.jpg

    (chart is original and only in german so you have to do little simple translation)

    test used:
    2x30mm or 4x20mm firing time with 5% hit percentage to destroy 4mot bomber.

    You can count from that:
    MG151/20 takes average 20 hits to kill buff
    MK103/108 takes average 5hits to kill buff (which shows in chart too)

    So i just wonder how it can take 20 to kill fighter in FH?

    I couldnt find equal charts on fighter vs fighter.

    But i remember one i looked at maybe 6 months
    ago in net...so there is such. It was something like this:

    MG151/20, MK103 and MK108 damage on mustang.

    MG151 3-4 hits average to kill mustang
    MK103 1 hit average to kill mustang
    MK108 1-2 hit(s) average to kill mustang


    generally you can see that 1x30mm round equals 4x20mm round in damage caused.

    so these 2 tests support each other.

    bb, i hope this is useful.

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  2. Boroda

    Boroda FH Community Officer

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    Illo, please define what they meant by "kill". Critical damage or instant explosion? German scores are at least 50% boast (but, I have to admit, not a complete bullshit like American scores in Korea). Was it Rudorfer who killed 12 IL-2 in one sortie in 109F? All 12 were confirmed only by his words, they all "sank in Ladoga lake"...

    From my MSTU studies: S-5 rocket was designed as a on-hit killer for Avro Vulcan. AFAIR to kill it (a flying-wing strategic subsonic jet bomber) it needed ~12 23mm or 3 37mm or 1 55mm - so they used a standard 57mm caliber for this rocket. I can't rely on my memory, severely damaged by high alcohol consumption - but looks like I am almost right here...

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  3. illo

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    Uh huh...quite reply [​IMG]. you drunk?

    This is comparable in country data, 2 different TYPES of tests other combat other ground. Average was to DOWN plane(not all kills were explosions, boroda [​IMG] Both say same. Both compare only german weapons, so why the hell would they do whole test useless!!! No one would have gained anything by faking these reports , so why do you think that??? Because what 1 german pilot has not(?) told his real score. I would better count on this and many other reports that say about same, than Soviet general AC Gun compare test(sorry no offend).

    ----next subject...hehe boasting-----

    50% boasting may as well be russian 25% loss fading and 25% german boasting...who knows.
    There are many different results.

    Well but boasting shoudnt have nothing to do
    with this subject..or who boasts hit fired on
    mustang at ground? [​IMG]

    thx boroda...see you

    hey. btw german pilots own word wasnt enough
    to prove the kill. So if you flew alone and shot 5 planes down...you were credited with 0 victories.

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    Thx tabano, exellent page.

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  6. illo

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    Well they said at AGW that link in tabanos reply contains much 2nd hand info mainly from different books(and where books get their info?)

    So heres some more original stuff:
    (again in german)

    In this chart they compared weapons at
    different distance to bring down a buff.
    500m 1000m 1500m
    "Abschuss mit 50% sicherheit" = 50% sure the bomber is killed
    "Abschuss mit 95% sicherheit" = 95% sure the bomber is killed
    http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/njg_stat_1.jpg
    and something about mk108 http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/Vortrag_MK108_1.jpg http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/Vortrag_MK108_2.jpg
    http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/Vortrag_MK108_3.jpg http://212.227.54.207/bf109/allg/Vortrag_MK108_4.jpg

    I cant uderstand a half of this [​IMG] but its very detailed info and original test results
    so it may be worth of translating...anyone wants to give it a try?

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