Historical Settings versus Game Balance

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by krause, Jun 2, 2000.

  1. krause

    krause Well-Known Member

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    The historical settings on FH are great !
    But in wb we have to live with compromises.
    No Allied troop carrier, many planes missed.
    So i begin thinking on V1 and 4engine buffs.
    Historical allies got no Fau rockets, but
    its a game and allied pilots won t miss this
    feature, so let it in.
    Historical axis got no strategic 4 engine
    bomber fleets, but its a game and its frustrating for an axis bomber Pilot only
    Ju88 + Betty in late RPS. So give B17+B24
    for axis side also for game balance (maybe
    representing Fw 200, He 177 and IJP Ren Zan).
    We can get a total new dimension with this.
    Its fun to
    - plan and participate in an organised bomber
    Raid.
    - To Escort a bomber Raid.
    - To Attack an escorted bomber Raid.
    Things i missed on FH ;-(
    Also it would reduce those endles boring suicide fighter bomber attacks on airfields.
    And bomb damage could be reduce to a more realistic level.
    By the way. Where is the Big Ack gone ??????
    Fleets got no defense cause in 2km there is
    no Ack fire ??????
    Get the Bick Acks in game again plz
    On Fields Citys also plz !!!
     
  2. -exec-

    -exec- FH Consultant

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    We gave you Taunt Annnie Ju-52! [​IMG]

    Give us B-17 for FW-200"Kondor"'38/He-277"Greif"'44/G8N"Renzan"'45
    or B-24 for G5N"Shinzan"'42. [​IMG]

    We'll repaint it according to our colours [​IMG]

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  3. astral

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    Thats what I think too...give the axis B17 and b24 ....i will buff the Main ...... but not with JU-88 or Betty...i want a real Bomber not a toy [​IMG]

    astral
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  4. -neon-

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    Why you guys dont like Ju-88? With 4x500 and 10x50 bombload you can kill 10 acks and 4 hangar's/radar's/radio mast and hut. That could be enough to close 1 small field and you have enough to destroy all except 2 hvy targets in second.

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  5. -exec-

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    I do not consider Ju-88 as heavy bomber cause it could hardly climb up to 5000m with full load of 4*500kg+10*50kg=2500kg, while B-17 and B-24 easily could get up to 21000ft=7000m with 6/8*1600lb=4300kg-5800kg.

    Do not even remind me of defence capabilities.

    That's why [​IMG]

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  6. -schu-

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    Hi there, Mahlzeit, Bom dia(how do aou say it in ruski?)))

    So i see that more people think the same way i do about REAL buffers. It would be much more fun if i could go with a B17 then with a Bety, althoug the hangs do not get destroied by 2 50kg...
    The Axis Bombers that we can use are poor in loadout, so its nearly impossible to make a good buffraid on Axis side.
    I would apprichiate to see at least ab17 on our side in this RPS!
    THX for reading, Admins THX for good job
    keep ur 6clr
    SCHU hopefully a happy buffer in the future!
     
  7. -exec-

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    Say it in english, and most of people will understand. Looks like deutsch, but I cannot translate it.
    1. Nice word "buffers". Combination of "bomber" and "buff" [​IMG]
    2. All we have are REAL BOMBERS. Just say Axis do not have REAL HEAVY AND LONG RANGE BOMBERS in this game, though it had in real life [​IMG]

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  8. illo

    illo FH Beta Tester

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    b17 and betty didnt really climb that well exec...its only Iens adjustement. Ju88 has really MUCH better climb than b17.

    B17 is totally porked. It can even outturn Dora at hi alt, and outrun,outturn and outclimb fw190As in altitude. In RL mostly FW190s were attacking b17s. Wouldnt be possible here when smart lonely b17 pilot can fly where no fighters can, and even at bombing alt they can outperform their worst RL opponent in any category [​IMG]

    I've even had figterstyle dogfight with b17 at 9km with dora(yes he was turning and HOing me doing even wingover with full bombload!!)


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  9. niklas

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    DonЄt forget playabillity. In the original Memphis Bell film they speak from a climbrate of 300ft/min. Now think: How long would it take you to reach 20k?? You wouldnЄt see any buffs in the arena. Usual buff raids in WW2 lasted 4-8hours....

    A problem of WB is that only symmetric airfoils are simulated. you can fly normal or on the head, thereЄs no big difference generally. You CAN fly a b25 on the head with trim down.

    Dora was never a real high altitude fighter, though better than a 190A dew to the Jumo engine. The first real high altitude fighter was the Ta152-H with higher wingarea and Jumo213E

    I admit buffs over 25k are almost untouchable. And the problem is,in a buff you CAN hit targets still with a precicion of a laser guided missle from this altitudes. But after all itЄs a game andit took this guy >25min to get there so let him the fun.

    niklas

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  10. illo

    illo FH Beta Tester

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    Dora had exellent high alt performance, but lacked pressured cockpit, otherways much similar to ta-152...well ta had few different engines ofcourse...but very similar. WB has much lower ceiling for dora than RL. I tested it comparing to FWs original factory performance charts of 190d and ta-152. WB 190d has 800lbs overweight too.

    Well b-17 has been adjusted for playability, but ju88 has its real life climb...very Ien style [​IMG]

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  11. niklas

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    Dora -9 was still NO High altitude Fighter!!!!

    It had the Jumo213 A engine, and this engine had a critical altitude of only 7km. Above engine power went down quickly, and withit performance. For climb the critical altitude was even lower of course! So compared to the A8 they gained only 1km more for the critical altitude

    The real high altitude fighter came with the Jumo213E which had a critical altitude of ~10km!!!! And with GM1 even higher, 12-13km!!

    Only the D12 with JumoF engine was in the same range, but not included in the game here and i donЄt know how many of them were in service (esspecially jumo-f engines)

    If youЄre interested in original charts and documents, mail me. I have scans from a VERY good book (Ta-152, der weg zum hoehenjaeger, aviatic verlag)

    And yes, nice presents were made to the allied side [​IMG] . But that forced us luftwobbles to learn flying. Now imagine a correct modelled german fighter plane....

    niklas
     
  12. astral

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    Hmmm...we leave the topic now!!!! The Topic was to give Axis 4 Engine BuffЄs not if the 190 is a hilevel fighter or not [​IMG]

    Astral