If you wonder why the arenas are empty....

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by Cabron, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. Cabron

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    Business as usual.

    Amazing WTF moment when people stood up for Letez when I called him on selfkill and other dweebery like leaving a bomber behind to take advantage of reset.

    Has everybody just given up?

    Unchecked, Letez has lowered the common denominator of this game to an almost unplayable state.

    What's worse........because people have given up and just accepted his BS exploiting of game holes, Letez actually thinks he's a competent pilot never mind the fact that he's never used his landing gear to land a plane his entire career.

    This kind of stuff is what drives away noobs and a big reason why arenas sit empty much of the time.

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  2. demian

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    Without any desire to defend Letez for selfkilling, i must say that i think ur wrong.
    First, ppl dont play not because of letez , but because game is full of "bugs".
    So, when u make thread, "why arenas are empty", u should at least notice right reason for not playing. Ur not helping ur own idea, to make ppl come back and play wb.
    As much as it sounds weird, Letez everything that he does, does it with some point in mind. Too much time and energy he already spent trying to explain what is wrong here and what should be fixed..
    But no one listens.. It was always easier to say "Letez is idiot" , "selfkiller" etc.. And he is selfkiller. No argue about that one.
    But tell me Carbon, does Letez look like some young kid full of desire to deny kills, just to piss off ppl?? No he doesnt, and many ppl in arena could fit that description before him.
    He does what he does, for some reason. I wont argue is his way right one or not. For some reason , thats his way of rebellion against game settings, admins and so on..
    Pointing him out of crowd as a person who ruins gameplay is wrong, and it just helps some of admins to later say " ah ban letez everything will be just fine."
    You can clearly see , now when ta is back, what is the real problem of fh.
    Yesterday were 19 (!!!) players in Ta and 0 in ma.
    I asked to go in ma, no one wanted.
    So i went to ma, only 2 fields were gold. F11 and f1. Both bigs.
    Dropped few bombs and went out .
    What can i alone do with time of 900s for target?
    How to cap big fields alone?
    So, better choice was ta.
    No rps, airstart, u can bomb, u can fight , u can have fun even if alone.
    Why ppl prefer ta ?
    Because we have less maps now, than before.
    Because we have screwed time now.
    Because we have some screwed planes now.
    And sometimes, happens combination of few factors, like this TOD , small map, bad times, rps as limit , and we all go to ta.
    Because in ta , u can do everything u can in ma, and MORE!
    U can bomb, u can raid, u can fight, u can run, u can fly li2, u can fly
    whatever plane u want, When u want it.
    It wont disappear like in ma, so its obvious u have more freedom.
    And freedom is what ppl want, not limits.
    We talked about this, when we said disappearing planes is bad for game,
    we need Ta, we need better rps and so on..
    Why would anyone want to fly in Ma now, when there is no k4, or 51, or 47?
    Why would anyone want to fly in ma later when there is no 109 g2, no p40,
    no 190a4?
    The other day, we even capped fields for reds, we felt like it..
    So if u really want to help for this game to survive, dont ask wrong questions, dont help those ppl who always make what they like out of every launcher.
    Make new thread, "selfkillers" or something and post all tracks u want, when u want..
     
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    I was in a bomber and he shot me down at about 100 feet over the water.......nowhere near a field.............not time to bail and went quick.

    No problem.....anybody who earns a kill of me gets it.

    The problem was when I got put to tower and quickly checked roster to see what was up.

    He was already there......in the tower at a field.

    It's obvious he felt the need to be in the tower before me so he could find out where I was taking off from........so he selfkilled rather than even take the time to rtb or even belly in which I still consider dweebery.

    That is of BS I hate.
     
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    "Noobs" started to drift to other activities when FH turned more to "sim" than "game". Learning curve went from tough to (really) hard. It just don't motivate to be killed all the time. FM, DM (and what bothers me the most, the hitting range) should be adjusted more to "fun" than "everything must be like it was in a real plane back in WW2 although we all know it can't be done in a game that was made in the last millennium"...

    At the end there are only the small group that like the game, but no cannon fodder for them. Shit happens.
     
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    the thing is, with games this old, free, and this hmm specialised, they should be maintained by the community and for the community

    unfortunately WB is maintained by devs, for devs (really? they're never on-line), and with complete disregard of community's opinion

    not to mention a complete lack of imagination and an inability to keep backups...


    there, I've done my share of complaining
     
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    LOL
     
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    I've reached a point where I'm sooner willing to believe that God exists than that the devs actually exist.
     
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    Important is that u believe in existance of cave warriors capable of hitting USA:shuffle:
     
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    Oh good lord, have you joined Mcloud's camp of nutters?
     
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    Cabron.

    I don't think that anyone defended selfkilling, was there really?
    OTOH, there does exist a list of "known bad players" at maletins wiki, but it has not lead to any action for quite some time. I have not looked to see if there are any new additions to it .

    Let me ask you, what do you feel about ppl that steal kills by shooting to a white plane?
    That was also a no-no before, but no actions are taken these days.

    If you get shot at after you have bailed, ok, some poor sod desperately need to see his name as victor in the radio buffer. These things happen from time to time, I mostly get annoyed because there has been some kind of fight before someone bails, possibly even a good fight. The kind that makes you REALLY like WBFH :) and then some schmuck goes in and fills the rotting, burning, collapsing carcass that once was a flying fightingmachine with a few 100 7mms. Denying the true victor his gratification. For the defeated pilot, there is no big thing, he has already lost his battle. But it does leave a sour taste around, lingering like smoke from burning rubber

    If some moron selfkills, we really can't do anything about it.
    It does not help that you get all worked up about it in ch100, because there are no arena admins flying regularly.

    I hope that it can be seen in my rant that I do not advocate either selfbombing or chuteshooting.
    However, with the lack of interest from developers and arenaadmins...
    We're screwed.

    Your choice are as of now to either keep on using FH as you say you have, or to join the dark side and selfkill, kamikaze in targets, shoot chutes and so on.
    The first choice should make you fel better about yourself, meanwhile you will still have to see the kind of crap, selfbomb, kamikaze and so on, while the second choice will take you down to the level of these other despiccable oafs. Probably not making you feel good about yourself.

    Ppl who like arcade games should like the 900second timelimit I guess, go there, bomb, kamikaze, get JU/LI. Boom. Use captured field to go to next field :p

    Ppl who wants to plan their missions (there are a few left) would not so much like the 900 seconds downtime, because it leaves less room for error/mishaps if one plans to rtb after a bombing run.

    Kind of sums up my 2cents, for whatever that is worth these days.
     
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  15. Kiev

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    Dear Weeping Lady. Im Letez.

    If you recall, I apologized to you for a random selfkill, which occurred at my fault. I apologized and said that it was an accident.

    I apologize to you.

    That was not enough?

    I need to send you a handkerchief and comforting candy?

    Yet you cry, that I will not let you bomb cv. Above that you have worked for 2 hours. You have not done the work to rise above the radar, you flew to the CV at low altitude. And were continually killed. Now you're crying in public, my poppet! Perhaps you grow the penis, and will cease to be a big farting beauty?
     
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  16. Cabron

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    It is the fact that you felt the need to selfkill to get back to the tower before me that has me pissed off.

    Your plane had no damage yet you magically appear in tower before my plane that crashed from 25 feet above the water.

    Also......I strafed down the dd next to the cv with a 190 (5th flight in one since 1.1) and was not continually killed.

    On that sortie, I also shot the crap out of you only to have you wuss out and ditch on the ocean...........I landed that sortie with wheels down back at my base.....something you have never done.

    On the sortie before flying a ju88, you shot my vator and rudder yet I still was able to turn around and make another bomb run where I missed because of lack of control yet I still tried to evade ack.............but wasn't successful.....because not much control.

    The truth is.....I killed six ships in 3 sorties and landed 2 of those sorties back at my base while letez shot me down on the 4th one before I got to ships.

    This is something that would have taken letez 11 one way sorties to do and he would have dived into the ack all 11 times.

    Letez......your problem is that you expend all of your energy exploiting loopholes in the game rather than try to play it the way it is supposed to be played.

    If I bumped up every complaint thread about letez, the server would crash so I will link to just one.

    http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35198

    Don't got to bat for this guy who is well known for exactly what I accuse him of.

    There's a reason why he was banned from these forums........his new name should be banned as well.
     
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  17. looseleaf

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    OOPS!

    Dude, I feel your pain. One will just have to console one's self to the fact that there are those who will take advantage of those loop-holes and not play the straight game.

    My only suggestion is that you play your game and not anyone else's.

    The fact that you play an honorable game and the other honorable players know it should be consolation enough.
    There cannot be 100% banning of cowardice and cheating. Don't fall victim to the frustration.
     
  18. rudeboy

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    If you are so talented and a fast thinker and do so well you are yawning juring play, then it is time to use drugs and alcohol and maybe twirrel around making yourself get dizzy
    Then you will have to work very hard to hit targets or outsmart other players.

    Ever hearing men brag about how the are very good drunken drivers????
    Same thing, kinda, except the death part is just pretending.



     
  19. looseleaf

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    Been There- Done That

    If you do it right, just finding the computer is a great victory.... One finds the floor very well and sometimes all too quickly...
     
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    Does anyone here think they fly better drunk than when sober? :cheers: