Japanese pilot comment on P-51 vs FW 190 accelaration

Yasuhiko Kuroe, a 30-victory ace.

Its dash speed was inferior to that of our imported Fw 190A



http://www.mustang.gaetanmarie.com/articles/Japan/Japanese Captured P-51 Mustang.htm

 

http://www.mustang.gaetanmarie.com/articles/Japan/Japanese Captured P-51 Mustang.htm


“I was astonished with its performance. Turn characteristics were splendid, almost the same as the Ki-84 in a horizontal turn. The radio transmitter was excellent, the armament and other miscellaneous equipment was very good, particularly when compared with their Japanese equivalents, and moreover it had a radio direction-finder. (2)


“I had such confidence with this P-51 that I feared no Japanese fighters.”



What kind of gas did the Japs have then ?

 

Imho only 'merikans use gas....civilised countries use "fuel"

 

Друг Боа, молим опрости ми. Међутим као што сам говорио на варварин, мислио сам да говорим у смислу да ће разумети.

 

Ok, first off, what exactly does he mean by "dash speed"? Also, a P-51 being slower than a Fw-190A? I have a really hard time believing that. Maybe a Fw-190D could pull it off, but then late war P-51s routinely operated at high boost ratings that gave them top speeds well in excess of the usually published 440-ish mph, too.

 

Dash speed would be initial accelaration, as opposed to top speed.

Galland pointed out its importance as it gave whichever pilot had the better accelaration the ability to gain a position of attack quicker.

Charles Older, Deputy Commander of the 23rd Fighter Group...
Older related to this writer in an interview in 2002 that he considered the Ki.84 to be the best Japanese fighter of the war, and the most dangerous opponent he flew against. Other American pilots learned this to their cost, as the Japanese Army Air Force regained a lost advantage during the Japanese Army’s final China offensive in the Fall of 1944.
http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/cleaver/cleaver3284preview.htm

 

It was P-51C "Specification for the P-51C were identical to the P-51B. "


I like this one "Turn characteristics were splendid, almost the same as the Ki-84 in a horizontal turn."
It just shows you what uber plane is our ki-84. Original warbirds had tips about using ki as energy fighter not as super good turner all noobs like...

 

Then what is the point of your thread? Our 190 has better acceleration imho.

 

That would make it even less believable, as the P-51B was a couple mph faster than the P-51D.

 

Do you believe when some pilot says " My plane climbs like homesick angel"?

 

Yes, as he said, accelaration. he said it not I. Yes B & C are the same.

As to KI 84...

"The following spring, another captured Hayate (believed ultimately scrapped) went through more rigorous testing at the Middletown Air Depot in Pennsylvania. Taking place in April and May of 1946, to their great surprise, the Americans found that in many performance categories, the Ki-84 was the equal of, or superior to, the P-47N and P-51K to which it was compared. Roughly the same in maximum speed at altitude, the Hayate proved superior in early climbing performance, maneuverability, and overall handling.

http://japaneseaircraft.devhub.com/blog/category/technical/

 

Yeah, and using what type of avgas? Certainly not the type available in war time Japan.

 

Which has nothing to do with maneuverability. Yep, like the Germans, they had to deal with crap gas & less high grade alloys.

"Forget it - it's a Frank." It is said that this comment was made frequently by USAAF personnel watching radar screens on Okinawa in the closing weeks of the Pacific War. It was customary to watch for a contact to appear and then to scramble P-51 Mustangs to intercept the enemy aircraft. But when the blip was moving so fast that it was inferred to be one of the advanced new Japanese Hayate fighters it would be assumed that the P-51s would stand no chance of catching the intruder.

 

But it has something to do with the manifold pressure the engine can be run at without risk of damage, which in turn has a lot to do with how fast the plane can go and how well it accelerates and climbs.

 

A second pre-production batch of 42 Ki-84s was started in April of 1944. These were built between March and June of 1944. These were built in parallel with the first production aircraft, which began to roll off the production lines in April of 1944. Both types were fitted with individual exhaust stacks, which provided some thrust augmentation, and could increase the maximum speed by some 9-10 mph.

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ki-84.html

 

For all practical purposes, the P-51 and the Ki-84 had very similar top speeds. I'd say that any reasonably fast aircraft will be hard to intercept successfully if you only scramble the Mustangs once you got a RADAR fix on the bogey (what detection ranges did WWII RADAR have against fighter-sized targets?). The P-51 (average climbing ability at best) would have to climb to the altitude of the incoming hostiles and reach them before they turn back for the trip home. Otherwise it's a tail chase and the P-51's top speed advantage is too marginal for it to catch a Ki-84 going in the same direction unless the initial distance is small.

 

Jah, & it they were Zeroes, they'd scramble & possible catch em.

 

Then why'd you bring it up in the first place? It seems to me that you're only posting all this stuff to get a rise out of us.

 

As a response to Red Ants post.

" has a lot to do with how fast the plane can go"

 

It's so weird that with such a high technology the Japanese already had even back then, the paint kept peeling off of their planes so easily cause they just didn't use a primer.

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/weathering_question.htm

I guess it shows how badly were they rushing out those aircrafts.