Me-262?

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by Jochen, Jul 21, 2002.

  1. Jochen

    Jochen Well-Known Member

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    Hi,

    I would just like to know what the zark happened to the Me-262? It's fourteen months late coming out as is, we've only got it for 8 hours every three weeks (most ToDs,) and now it's being restricted more? God in Heaven, if you want to restrict it, put it in at June 1944! But when it comes out in AUGUST 1945 (!!!), for the sake of decency, leave it the heck alone!

    Geez, what's with this?

    Jochen
     
  2. lilija

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    Поплачь о нем, пока он живой...не...
    Поплачь о нем, пока он есть :D

    Cry for it(him), while it(he) alive... Not ...
    Cry for it(him) while it(he) is

    :p
     
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  3. --stec

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    If you're in urgent need of quick and easy kills in a plane untouchable by it's red counterparts you can fly offline. Online Me262 should be banned completely until some kind of system limiting it's use is introduced or an Meteor appears in RPS to balance sides.

    Right now flying me262 gives you huge and unfair advantage over all red planes and flying it is nothing less than cheating!
     
  4. lilija

    lilija Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...WTG --stec.

    And don't cry goldies :)))
    He will be back :))) Later :)))
     
  5. Jochen

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    <<Right now flying me262 gives you huge and unfair advantage over all red planes and flying it is nothing less than cheating!>>

    I bet whining like that convinced the real Luftwaffe to shut down their Me262s also.

    The Me262 belongs in the WWII RPS. Your "limitation" is that it is not available for more than a YEAR after its historic counterpart was introduced. When we can only fly it for eight hours out of four-hundred and eighty-eight, it damn well better not be restricted!

    You want restricted numbers of jets? Fine, I can go with that too. But ONLY when the jet is available in June 1944.

    Jochen
     
  6. -nicae-

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    Cry for it(him), while it(he) alive... Not ...
    Cry for it(him) while it(he) is

    lilija, pls, there is whole forum for russian

    @stec:
    what a contradiction...
     
  7. svd

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    a situation when 8 red against 31 golds and majority golds on Me-262 it's a fair play ?
    I'm do not understand, do you really like to play in this case?
     
  8. Usling

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    why do you think so many ppl flying that 262 when it comes up , cuz nobody will miss it when it comes for only 8 hours .... set it in the right place in rps , guess most will not fly it always , at least i would fly older planes as well ,
    i killed 2 262 on a short flying time on red , well give me my 109 E4 and i fly it for you in 1945 also
     
  9. Snoopy

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    ME 262

    This is a very old battle. But with a new problem. The Jet was available many were flying. Then it was removed. I woke up at 3AM on a work day for me, to fly the jet this ToD because it has been a long while since I flew.

    After Jet is out for 3 to 4 hours most players go back to flying regular piston planes as they do not know how to fly the jet. But to remove Jet after less then 2 hours. Regardless of being 31 to 8 or any other petty excuse is inexcusable. If admin reads this please reinstate the Jet immediately.
     
  10. svd

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    and make restrict, if you streak less than 5
    - Me262 is not for you :)
     
  11. Usling

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    bzw .. i always wanted to add this , the Me262 A-1 had 4x30mm cannons ..
    The Me262 A-2 had 24r4m rockets , but only 2x30mm cannons

    262 was able to carry 2x500 or 1x1000 kg bmbs .. it reduced his speed ... so it was not much faster with this load then normal allied planes with a "Kolbenmotor"
     
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  12. --stec

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    What was the percent of me262's in whole Luftwaffe? IRL - marginal, in FH - 99.9%.

    Who flew Me262's to combat? IRL - a handful of top aces, only experts were allowed to fly this modern high tech super weapon. In FH - any friggin dweeb who can barely take off can take Me262 and easily bag 2 or 3 cons before he lawndarts into the runway while vulching.

    What was the main purpose of Me262 in WW2? It was dedicated buff interceptor. It's speed allowed it to elude escorts and powerfull armament was especially deadly against heavy armored buffs. In FH it's fighting only fighters and serving as ground attack plane with great efficiency - yeah that's realistic.

    What were the proportions of planes on both fighting sides in WW2, how many fighters allies had for each Me262? In FH it's at least 3-4 Me262's for each allied fighter.

    I don't care if Me262 appears in october 45 or in mid 44 let it hust be what it was IRL - extremely lethal but extremely rare weapon piloted by real experts. Like it would require active streak 30 or more to fly Me262 for example. If you want to fly an ultimate weapon - earn it!
     
  13. Malino

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    Stec, no offense but give it a rest, if you want to quote numbers then I'll hunt out the info on the La7, which reds have from May 44 to Sept 45. You say only streak 30 should be able to fly the 262, well I say "only streak 30 should be able to fly La7"

    Your quote:

    I agree the 262 is lethal, but like you say only in the hands of a good pilot, the only person I know who is good in a 262 is Kari, everyone else I've seen dies in it.

    When it appears everyone flies the 262 because it's different but like Snoopy said the magic wears off pretty quick and most pilots go back to their regular planes, I do, I much prefer the Dora.

    Malino
     
  14. -nicae-

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    how to earn it when admin disables it just because he was killed by one and got mad?

    if FH is to put a restrict, it has to be announced. changing the system at the moment because of temper is not good
     
  15. hrtman

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    Too Bad

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    Hello Pilots, Admins, Hackers and others

    I have been gone for a while. ...and I'd say I miss you... but I don't miss often. :turret: I have been very busy since last September. I have come back 2 or 3 times (for a day or two) to the Russ WB... two times now I come back for the Jet and "someone" with admin powers shut off the jet after about an hour.

    The first time was about December or Jan? (not sure) :confused: ...and the Arena time was reset. The second time I think I just missed the Jet. ...and the 3rd time was today. I logged in a while ago... did the math and figures the Jet would be out about 3am. So I slept in :zzz: then got up early/late to fly it :joystick: ...this last time the arena time stayed the same but the jet was made unavail.

    ...things like this remind me why I don't come here often.


    For those of you who dont know how to defete the 262 here you go... :deal:

    1- Durring Take off or landing it is very vulnerable
    ( IRL Many 262s shot down where landing or taking off)

    2- 262 does not turn well... lure it into a turning battle

    3- Stay above it.. and dive after a 262 dumps it's "E" on someone elts.

    4-Tag team it

    5- Aviod the HO for crying out loud what idot would take 4x 30mm HO... only suicidal freaks who dont care about dieing in the game.

    6- Just before 262 makes it past break turn (he cant turn with you) and force him to hard deflect shot. Sure he might get you but he'd be lucky.

    7- Get your head out the window and look around. Many kills I get in 262 are low from 6... people fly and dont look around.

    8- Make 262 spend his ammo make tough shots... he doesnt really have to much and most pilots dont have triger finger disipline.

    9- 262 is pretty fragile try to put just a couple in it

    10- Did I mention the 262 does not turn well?

    11- Very high alt ( in FH ) performance is poor


    ...lasty! every plane has its good points and bad. The I-16 can turn a flying 360 inside the hanger (you know what I mean :p ) ...but it wont break any speed records. Learn to KNOW your opponants plane.

    No plane is perfect... all have weekness' if you are not capable of studing up on them... well then you deserve to be killed by them.

    If you have read me before :rtfm: ... you know how I feel. The 262 should be MORE available here... earlier as in real life.. from small fields as in real life... and so on.



    I guess I'm just disgusted with the one sided nature of this free host... and I'm tired of arguing that with the admins here... which brings me to my next posting... RUSS WB FH NEEDS admin representation with RUSSIA is sleeping and USA is flying to take care of these CHEATERS I have read about :rtfm: and make sure that some other power humgery dweeb admin does not reset the host or limit the Jet because of his only either lack of ablity to combat it or whatever. It seems like good cops... a good admin is never around when you need one.


    I'm too tired cause I stayed up so late. I need sleep. :zzz: Sorry about all the misstakes... I'm too tired to proof. BB all Maybe I try back in a few months.


    -hrtman



    PS BTW -stec I dont know you but.... you say what percentage flew this or that... if you wanna go that route fine. Just do it for all planes. or... Make the plane you get random. I'm sure there were a few buff jockies out there that wanted to fly p-51D's ... but they get no say. or here is an Idea Maybe pilots have to "work"there way up... start in I-153... get a kill then can move to I-16.... get a kill or two... and so on. ...and when they die they START OVER with "beginer" plane. I like that.


    bb again
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  16. --stec

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    Hmm let me check your wonderful methods, Hartmn:

    yeah, sure you will be able to vulch me262s on take off/landing when there's 15 reds vs 50 262's in the arena...

    Yea I see you luring me262 into turning battle :D Even 262 drivers have enough brains not to turn in this plane - they just run.

    Uhuh... 10 minutes ago - me in p51b at 22kft, me262 at about 10kft well in front of me. I begin dive with good amount of lead, land d4 on his 6 and begin pumping his butt with .50's. He enters very slight dive and just sails away out of my range within less than 5 seconds.

    Yeah... tag team 50 me262's with 15 red planes pinned to the ground or vulched on runways.

    Uh oh. I avoid HO and what then? He is d30 and running away with 800km/h.

    And if he's not lucky he will zoom with 800km/h and position himself to next attack way out of your range again. Another great advice, my mentor?

    And you're still talking about (desperate) defensive, I wanted to read something about offensive moves against 262 for a change.

    48x 12,7mm in me 262 from d4-d7 and not a stupid aileron or flaps damaged, propably not even a hole in a wing or stabilizer as he was doing high G aerobatics later and nothing fell off.

    Now that's a discovery!

    Yeah, so?

    Even at 12km alt he can easily outdive (outfall ;)) you to lower alts where he will eat you alive or at least run away.

    this is very strange reasoning to me.


    I'm not going to explain for the 100th time why I think me262 is ruining game balance. Pls read the bold text in my first post in this topic and answer whether you understood what I wrote there, only then we can continue with this discussion.
     
  17. ledada

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    the season is ON

    what's that?

    this periodically discussed stuff is kind of ...
    first i have to say, please consider what you want to say with "limitation to good streaks" for me262! i feel it a shame for good pilots with high streaks to claim better conditions for themselves. they should be able to show the art of downing planes even to "superior" planes like me262.

    second this is a game. and some really seem to like flying the only jet in combat once. i don't, but there are not so many planes i like (or i am able :) ) to fly with joy. still for me there is nothing to say against trying a jet for the only 8 hours it is available. and before restricting it during that period, better take it totally out of rps.

    third, imo the point is the short period itself, not the plane. if there weren't such desire to get the limited chance to fly jet, there wouldn't be so many of them. and with 50:50 gold/red it shouldn't be a big problem, if there is a high percentage of me on gold side. since it is not so easy to fly a jet (the more as there is no real chance to practice combat in 8-24 hours per tod) and vulching shouldn't be a problem with 50:50, i suggest: make it available for 3 months or cancel it totally.
    but no restriction/limitation, that gives bad emotion...
    and about "streak-limitation" once more: whoever needs to get more advantage out of his better skills is a poor member of the community. "i am better than you" maybe right in facts, but is the last thing i would ever say to anyone in this horde of addicted pilots (ok, ok, there are not many situations i could say this :) )
     
  18. Usling

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    Well , another point is that ALWAYS when a 262 try to shoot you down he must point his nose in your direction , when u are not total blind u can see him coming , even when he is on d10 when u spot it u have enough time to do something , when he runs away after that then wait ... sure he will come back , he might would loose more and more E .. hell i flew during that time on red side too ? just today i was on gold in 262 and saw a Spit hanging in the air higher then me . i climbes up and he turnes , but guess didnt saw me fired a salve from d3 on the left side - no hits ....he turns vertical and climbes after me in oposide direction i made a slightly left turn .. close up again from d6 to d3 and shot a ping in it at all time i flew not faster than 500kmh ..
    it was miixch and he called me "Moron" on ch100 ! what for , in thoses cases i could have fly any other plane with the same result , i have the feeling that its just normal to bitch about the 262 , no wonder guess u just have to keep eyes open , im killed alot of times when start planes switch on auto and write in chat .. not watching around .
    its fast and have great firepower ok , it accelerate slow and turns not really great ...
    thats fits on several planes in FH ...
    fights like 262 vs spit ,la´s , yaks or whatever are nothing more like 109,190,ki84 vs La´s yak ect.
    u understand what i mean , guys are pissed got killed by one , but it´s just another plane ..and can be killed like any other
    when u see it comes from 3,9,12,6 why u dont wait and make a fast move pull down and up , the 262 can not follow and he just pass ... he do it 2,4,6 times and get bored or make moves that makes him slower ... really guys when i kill ppl in 262 in 80% dont saw you , 10% makes moves that bring´s me in good position , 10% wait and makes move to be sure not to be killed and a nice fight starts .. just today a p47 saw me i dived at him , what do this p47 ? turns into me!! and start a HO .. the loudest guys on FH are those with a Deathwisch guess , keep ur eyes open , the first time that u killed is not from a 262 , so it cant be the problem ...

    Cant wait for the next post , when anyone tells me that this plane is no way just a plane .. and fits not in this rps ..
    i really like to fight it , when u say its boring 50vs12 ... would be boring with any other plane too ...
     
  19. illo

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    My only opinions on this.

    1. Give all planes right intro date.
    2. Give all planes right FMs.
    3. Restrict new planes.


    As example (and same ofcourse to any other new plane with loosely historic ratios)

    Bf 109f-4 June 1941, 10 streak.
    Bf 109f-4 Dec 1941, 5 streak.
    Bf 109f-4 June 1942, free.

    FW 190a-4 June 1942, 10 streak.
    FW 190a-4 December 1942, 5 streak.
    FW 190a-4 June 1943, free

    FW 190a-8 Jan 1944, 5 streak.
    FW 190a-8 June 1944, free.

    FW 190d-9 August 1944, 10 streak.
    FW 190d-9 Dec 1944, 5 streak.
    FW 190d-9 June 1945, free.

    Me 262a-1 August 1944, 30 streak.
    Me 262a-1 Dec 1944, 15 streak.
    Me 262a-1 June 1945, 5 streak.

    Bf 109k-4 August 1944, 10 streak.
    Bf 109k-4 Dec 1944, 5 streak.
    Bf 109k-4 June 1945, free.


    With these restrictions applied to all planes (considering their availability) we would see realistic ratios of each plane in flight.


    For example lets say arena time was October 1944 and 35golds online.

    Maybe 2 pilots would have over 30 streak. About 5 pilots would have over 10streak and 10 pilots over 5 streak.


    Planes in air would be as following (supposing all want to fly best plane, which isnt true)

    2x262
    5x109k-4/190d-9
    10x109g-10
    13x190a8/190a4/109f-4/109g-2/109g-6...


    What do you think?
     
  20. Zembla JG13

    Zembla JG13 FH Beta Tester

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    I'm trying to remember the days when Me-262 was available from the date it should be...

    I don't care for 262... at least, I stopped caring, it's just an endless disussion, mb it's better just to delete the 262 from the list and swap the plane for a more valuable addition that has a reasonable counter part in the other side...

    And -illo- that's an attempt at recreating AH... I don't think it will happen... I don't like the idea of it anyway, it's so short sighted and IMO besides the problem

    @Stec, whenever I fly red I have absolutely no problem at all evading the golds, just try harder, every field has an escape route, just hug the ground and hope the best of it, take the plane with the best fuel endurance, and then climb really high... and of course, aim to tear off something... not sure it's an effctive way to fight rather than to die, but at least it's a better attempt than those passive reds, when all golds are lingering around a field having endless vulching sorties, it means they probably wouldn't stand an effective counter-offensive...

    greetz, Zembla
     
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