Gryphn, I never understand anything your saying...Please slow down and take the time to use atleast half decent grammar. Glas- a car with 4 wheels and a car with 4 wheels are still both cars right? Is a car with 3 wheels a car? Id hope so.....So principally, they can be the same- your example holds little meaning to me...but thats what I get for taking the time to read your posts. Uncle- I talked to a veteran at the local museum of flight who happend to fly the p47 in ww2 "he never talked about combat though- i suspect he was just grab assing the entire war" and he told everyone there about it and how much fun he had...The p47 and the fw190d were the only planes that I had probloms leaving...they were just to cool to leave and go look at something else. The museum also had a yak9, f4u, spitfire, 109e, p38,p51, and I cant remember all the rest....If your ever in the washington part of USA- go check out the "Seatle Museum of Flight" right next to boeing field...Its pritty cheap to get in and they have 100's of airplanes and what not....very cool.