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  1. hugo baskervill

    hugo baskervill Well-Known Member

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    What a beautiful exhibition in Prague :D
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    Never though I will be able to see T-90 too close
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    These darker black spots were propably a crew :D
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    The citizens of Prague finally saw that the war is not only a title in newspaper but it is real! Many of them donated some money for "collecting" more examples :D
     
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    So why don't get tha fuck out of Ukraine now?
    I'm more than proud our small country provided such huge amounts of weapons and support to Ukraine, gave shelter to millions of refugees and welcomed them as if they were our citizens.

    Nice.
    Polish journalist started a fundraiser to buy a new Bayraktar for Ukrainians... it was completed prior to the deadline.

    We just signed a contract for the delivery of 60 Krab self-propelled howitzers.

    It's now confirmed PT-91s are now transferred to Ukraine.
     
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    Poland is making a great work supplying stuff to UA, we are too small to compete with U :D
    But I did some work for UB gun factory and there are 90 000 brand new BRENs 2 waiting for government approval to ship to UA :D The newly formed UA plattons will be well equiped :D
     
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    Stockholm syndrome? ;)
     
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    We never got rid of our military industry.
    You had huge arms factories, but your T-72s were manufactured in Slovakia (Martin works), so you've lost the "know-how".
    We, in turn, developed the "monkey" version of T-72 into the PT-91 (and later PT-91M), and retained the manufacturing capabilities (mainly at Huta Stalowa Wola, which now manufactures undercarriages for the Krab howitzers).

    There's no doubt that the Russian line of tanks met its end, and the contract to manufacture the K2 Black Panther will come in handy to revitalize the industry in Poland.
     
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    C'mon.
    T-90 is just another derivative of the T-72.
    A mid 1960's development to offer a cheaper alternative to the T-64, which proved "too demanding for katsap works".
    All Katsap armor designs that are currently in service date back to 1960s (T72 and its derivative the T90, and T64 and its development the T80) or even in late 1950s (the T-62s now rushed back to service to "fill gaps").

    Bohemia has Slovakia as the "buffer zone".
    We do have Leopard 2s and Abrams tanks to counter your "modern" armor.

    Or maybe it was you, who's experiencing the Stockholm syndrome?
     
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    Just check the data.
    We have the same number of Leopard 2 tanks in line that Germany does :)

    28 M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks arrived last week.

    You ruSScists have nothing that comes even close to that :)
    We will field 1000+ gen 3 and 3+ tanks until 2030... while you will have to modernize your T-62 fleet after loosing Siberia to China :)

    You're fucked :)
    Sorry to say that, but taking your pun into account, this statement comes with a lot of satisfaction, so let me repeat it:
    You're fucked :)
     
  9. hugo baskervill

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    Well, our bridges are not constructed to carry heavy western tanks.
    T-90 is quite good and well protected tank if You consider it's weight. But RF army is using it poorly.
    T-80 was more advanced, but it is not a "big strudy soviet iron" which could be manned by conscripts, so there is the T-90, diesel piston engine tank (upgraded T-72).
    The more I watch RF-UA war the more I think the generals just put together a lot of men and tanks and send them to Kyiv :D Old good "Uraaaaaaaaa" and "For the Stalin!" but in 21st century :D
     
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    I just think that was their entire "strategy".
    To surprise the Ukrainian, and overwhelm them with numbers.

    And this did work, as the Ukrainian/Belarusian and Ukrainian/ruSScist border is just huge - they could not defend its entire length, so they managed to penetrate it in several locations.
    But then the Ukrainians put up a fight.
    Massacred the airborne brigade at the Hostomel airport.
    Stopped the advances near Kyiv and Kharkiv.

    I fear once the Kherson Oblast is finally liberated, they will discover atrocities similar to those from Bucha.

    Remember April 2014?
    Russian Troops, sorry "insurgents" took Sloviansk and Kramatorsk "just like that", widely supported by the residents. It took Ukrainians almost 2 months to recapture these cities.
    Now, 4th month into the war the Orks are still unable to capture these.
    And almost all the residents support Ukraine now.
     
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    When Ronald Reagan asked Wojciech Jaruzelski about his impressions of the US presidential control panel for nuclear forces: ("here is the red button - the whole USSR is lifted into the air, here is the yellow one - all the countries of Eastern Europe, and here is the blue one - the entire socialist camp! Well, how ?!" ), Wojciech gave out his tale about his aunt:
    - My aunt in the center of Warsaw had an old mansion with toilet rooms on each floor, she also had three different toilet bowls - made of gold, silver and granite, but when she saw Soviet tanks, she crap herself right in the corridor ...
     
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    Nice joke.
    Still - crap.
    There was no centre of Warsaw when the Russian tanks came.
    The Russian tanks waited 4 months on the eastern bank of Vistula for the Nazis to finish "their common issue with the Polish Underground".
    After the Warsaw Uprising capitulated in October, they waited till Germans dislocated the entire population of Warsaw to camps, and razed most of the city to the ground.

    That was the "centre of Warsaw" around 1950, when the rebuilding effort already started.
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    BTW - Jaruzelski never had a family in Warsaw. They had a large manor and huge land holdings (with some 100 workers) in Podlasie.
    Yes, the future communist leader of Poland was of the blue-bloods.
     
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    Well, maybe in not-so-distant future some russian student will ask yourself:
    "How? How it all could happend? We knew the nazi Germany. We had a law, which prohibits war. How that all was even possible? Why we believe someone who cheated elections since 2011? With all that stuff we knew about nazi propaganda, how we could believe what our TV said? With all we knew about "furher" we changed our constitution to allow Putin ruled till the very end? How we believed someone who tortured it's own people?"

    "It was so ridiculously obvious since begining? The whole free world cut off relations with us and our best friend was bloody Lukashenko. How we were so blind after all?"

    And nobody will be able to give him an answer, because of the feeling of shame. It was true, it was obvious from begining to end.

    Maybe, one day the people of Russia will be able to look deeply in their minds and stop closing eyes. Maybe it will be the fresh start for the country and the people.
     
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    Just...

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    BRICS - GDP of 24.4 trillion USD, including Russia with just 1.4 trillion (about to shrink considerably this year).
    G7 - 46% of world's total GDP, over 60% of world's total wealth.
    Don't forget the EU
    EU - population of just 447 million, GDP 18 trillion USD.

    You still believe the masses will win any confrontation.
    It's economy you moron :)
     
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    Heh. Wait a year when сheap natural resources for EU is over. Where GDP is going ;)
     
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    Дык они будут топить печки этими баксами и евро. И жрать они тоже будут эту бумагу.

    Но один плюс есть: огромные долги этих стран они всем кредиторам "простят".

    А это аж более 100 триллионов баксов.
    4 годовых ВВП.
     
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    Прям по-библейски - нищие духом меряются баблом :)
     
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    Кстати, бумаги в банкнотах не так и много. В основном это бессмысленные циферки на серверах в датацентрах.

    Так что даже топить баблом - так себе идея. Надолго не хватит.
     
  20. hugo baskervill

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    Funny picture. Maybe we can count together the countries, which recognizes Russian special operation as a rightful.
    Belarusia? Syria? Maybe Iran?
    China stayed out. President of Khazachstan said that the these newly recognized states are bullshit. Till now neutral Sweden and Finland head to NATO...
    Your close allies are butchers of its own people, dependent on Russian support.
    Maybe You are the baddies now :D