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  1. -frog-

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    BTW - since we all (Americans, Britons, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, French), once again, agree that we face a fascist invasion of an sovereign country, could we please, please (with some sugar on top of that other "please") fast forward to the moment the fascist leader shoots himself, stranded alone, in that secret bunker of his?

    That could put an end to the needless suffering of both Ukrainians, and mothers/wives of countless Russian servicemen.
     
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    Will Zelensky agree to shoot himself?
     
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    I was asking about the fascist leader.
    Not the lawyer-comedian-statesman.
     
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    WTG Frog, Poland send another 200 t-72 tanks and hundreds of APCs to Ukraine, I'm quite jealous about Your army, we have only more or less 20 modernized T-72M4 CZ.

    I really like the way how the war is going :D and I will enjoy 9th may parade :D

    Did You recognized your military equipment is burning in RF territory? I don't think Bayraktars done this, it's quite distand for them. IMHO some russians, mainly war prisoners, are helping Ukraine. That's why Ukraine isn't make any proclamation, nor RF media :D Because if there will be any indication that any russian soldiers are setting on fire fuel depots in the country it could be very dangerous to stability of the regime :D

    I'm really looking forward to 9th May :D
     
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    Wikipedia states you have 30 T-72M4 and another 86 of the T-72M1s'
    We have (or rather had) some 200 of slightly to heavily modified T-72M1s', over 230 of our own PT-91s' (significant modification of T-72, with ERA, new FCS, new engine), plus some 450+ original T-72M1s', which we had stored, as no-one wanted to buy them from us, at the offering prices we requested.

    The question is "which T72s did we send to Ukraine?" - were these PT-91s, which are relatively modern, highly likely to survive confrontation with Russian tanks?
    Or were these the T72s that remained in active service - modified to some extent - most of them at least with the new, more capable FCS, likely a match to most of what Russians are pouring into Ukraine, once they've lost "their best" already?
    Or were these any of the 450-500 (God knows how many - we werereserve T72M1s, which were stored for over two decades now, and only underwent scheduled maintenance (not to turn into rust), without any upgrades from 1980s, when they were first manufactured in Poland in early 1980s - these are only good for scaring infantry or ambushing Russian armor under perfect weather condition, as they don't even have passive IR sighting devices equipped?
    We can't send our Leopard 2s, cause the Ukrainians are not trained to operate them, but hell - these would make the difference at all fronts.

    We will get Challenger 2s from the UK for our T72s, so our forces will not suffer from that (especially since we got 250 of brand new M1A2 SEPv3 ordered), but I just hope we'll give the Ukrainians the best, and not the worst equipment we have on stock.
     
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    BTW - rumors have it that the ruSScist invasion did cost your chief of staff an arm and a leg... and half of that literally.
     
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    Совсем не палятся: "тут защищаю, тут не защищаю, тут рыбу заворачивали" :)
     
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    "Today it's we, tomorrow you" (c) Puschkin A.S.

    All the suckers agreed.

    It's really interresting question, who knows better of what fascism exactly is about, those who fought and defeated the real one, or those who was the real one by themselfes?
     
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    6 millions Polish citizens perished in WW2.
    Remember, who fought the fascist first!
    Don't you forget, who stabbed us in the back on September 17th, 1939.
    Every single day, on my way to work, I drive/cycle past the Majdanek concentration camp.
    Built by fascists in 1940, to kill Jews, Poles, Gypsies (and also Soviet POWs).
    Taken over by NKVD in 1944, to kill Polish resistance members.

    We shall never forget the Hitler-Stalin pact of August 23rd, 1939.
    We will neither forget what you, savage beasts, did here, in a country you claim to have "liberated".

    As far as sending our troops to Ukraine is considered - I guess this could be happening (as advisors/training staff for now).
    At least our soldiers would be perceived as liberators, and not hordes of Asian orc invaders there.
    But Ukrainians are really good at managing this mess themselves. Loads of "Gruz-200", and "Gruz-300" special transports leaving the theatre of "special military operation" every single day only confirm this.
     
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    Spanish with international brigades.
     
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    OK - You've got a point there.
    Soviets, who served in Spanish Civil War - some 2000.
    Poles, who served in Spanish Civil War - over 5000.
     
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    Fascism is all about power, pride to your nation and its historical importance, supremacy, nacionalism, one strong leader with a lot of power.

    Russian version is called Rašism, it is all about power, pride to your nation and its historical importance, supremacy, nacionalism and one strong leader with a lot of power :D

    If U want fight fascists, will U fight also russian ones? :D

    In the west we are looking forward to 9th may expecting declaration of war and mobilisation, announced by Putin himself.

    In this day remember well, it will be no West, no EU, no NATO, who send your young population in the hands of incompetent russian HQ. It will be your supreme leader to blame, not us ;)
     
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    Fascism is the power of financial capital itself. This is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in the grossest form, cultivating zoological hatred against other peoples
    (c) Georgy Dimitrov
    It is impossible to talk about fascism and not reveal its class essence
     
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    Do you know the story about blind people described the elephant basing on what they could sense?
     
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    Very common and well known effect
     
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    Yeah, in the end the elphant appeared to be an animal and all those legs, trunk and ears were a kind of consequnce of this crucial fact.
    So can ya determine the core of fascism that it was solid and extremly simple and from where all those nationalism, leederism, etc. would be just a consecuence?
    Like, you know, Einstein general relativity formula from which all the shit about the Univerce grows up.
     
  20. hugo baskervill

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    What a beautiful conversation of mother and his son. Maybe someone here lives in the same city and knows Konstantin Soloviev and his mother... I'm sending greetings to them ;)

    Have a nice hearing ;)