tell me if im wrong but whatever the poll result was, u would make it russians vs poles issue? its not about what we really think in this subject, but how hostile our relations seem to be so if i voted that russian devs actually made some mistakes in developing russian planes, u wouldnt pay attention anyway, and id be one of them 'i dont like russians' guys? so anyway, my opinion is, devs were biased creating russian planes; they surely took much more time in checking charts, performances, than with other aicraft its understandable id fly pzls (if it was available) no matter the performance was, just because it was polish aircraft; and i would like good performance for it, but supported with reliable source the question is, what sources are most reliable for them and if the foreign tests are really less reliable im far from deciding if russian (or used by russians) planes are modelled well or not, i know nothing about rl performances, all i can say is that they feel really different from all other aircraft we have here on freehost dont u think?
i'd like to. but many FM/DM threads stared by Poles are going anti-soviet ones. i don't like soviets, but i know the soviets had some positive results. i cannot deny those results. anyways, i think that soviets and poles had different opinions on soviet invasion/presence in poland. but i don't know why it must make someones suppose that soviet weapon is a rubbish equipment for cannon fodder. and to use enemy charts for estimating it. so i made this poll for forming my personal opinion about who must i ignore on FM/DM flames. spuint, i have problems flying both yakovlevs and lavochkins. they just don't turn inside focke wulfs as i personally expect and don't handle as easy as veteran's memoirs describe. therefore i suppose that "there's always a greener grass in neighbour's yard" principle is turning to "russians are intentionally crazy or at least propaganda blind folks" in the eyes of SOME poles. the reason that i made this poll in only polish forum is that i have feeling that poles tend to that idea more often in polish threads than other nationalities. so the final is: i ignore pietas for a while, and if -q- will keep this line, i will ignore him too.
exec, i agree that russian planes are poor in flat turning but that doesnt mean u cant outturn gold planes including 109s i wrote they 'feel different' and i meant that exactly u can outturn 109f4 in cobra, u can outturn 109g2 in yak9series and k4 or even g14 is no problem for yak3 at all when comes to close df but never in flat turn, cause yak/la will enter spin very quick same goes for i16 vs zeke the closest fm to russian planes has f4u, and maybe p40, but russian planes (+p39) feel really different than all other and u can use that in ur advantage when u fly them thats all im sayin and keep mind such poll may be taken as an attack, especially if u start to generalize so thanks for that 'some' and when u read another thread about russian aircraft, read it first, then get angry; not the other way
he was just needed to calm himself - waiting for flood to say "ignore - i has right its only flame poles dont like russians and thats why, my only warning stop it - my La5FN was brillant plane and it doesnt matter if in WW2 it was the beginning of the breakfast list for 190, just bad trained pilots and bad tactics". Well, every way is good. PS. spuint - I saw exec 2-3 times flying in my all adventure here since 2002. You talk to wrong guy. Try FM with rgreat. I saw him 15-20 times, that score makes him almost a player yet PS2. Na koniec na poluzowanie zwieraczy jest puenta jaka nalezy z tego wyciagnac http://leksykot.top.hell.pl/jenzyk/polskie/drobiazgi/pierdol.shtml
14 votes 2 votes and then so what the hell are u talking about, first read the poll!!! Why u really start this poll to fight with Poles?? I think u dont care what MOST Poles thing about that game. U sow 2 votes on : "FH favours soviet planes" and its enough for U. I dont really know if u r Russian on not, i thought that poll can help FH Dev to improve this game, but it was mistake, coz u only what to start another national conflict. and this LOL, so i change my mind, you are shallow minded woodpecker
vipe, first read the topic carefully. first is feeling about uber-threads. second is poll third is understanding that these flames are not polish-specific fourth is understanding that someone's opinion is very different from mass of anothers. p.s. make poll about me, dude.
topic and Poland think: - freehost had non-systematical uber and unter modelled planes, developers mistakes - freehost had more or less authentic modelling, or developers at least tend to make it so that 2 points is about 60% all votes i ask again what the hell r u talking about?? Even child can understand that Poll, and says that Poles do not says that soviets planes r ubber or smthg. Next time write more specific topic like "I want to know if anyone from Poland think that Soviets plane are ubber - result is no matter becouse i will ignore all Poles opinion.
i ask again. do you uderstand why i made such a poll? because of threads like i mentionned in this topic. of course on the paper/screen the poll is first, because it takes top of the composition. but historically those threads were previous. and this poll shows that my feeling was wrong, as i said above. it turned out, that there're only SOME people that transfer their attitude from ussr to freehost.
and that i want to know, mb u siad it before but i didnt notice that. now i understand that u want to ignore some ppl not all, but your answers like i quote before 2 timest and a couple more, realize me that poll mb is only a excuse. i dont care about planes (becouse its fine like now), most importand for me is many other bugs : like 25mm hmack - one shoot noone know from where and bye bye, pilot can kill himsefs by a bomb, fucking incredible accuracy of 7mm ottos and many others
Just curious, why are you using "ex USSR" description as your location? As far as Im concerned it's Kazahstan now and in the past...identity problems?
Russian planes arent uber here like in Il2 sturmovik series. Sure LA's are fast but they have nasty behavior and dont manuver so well like 109 f.e. Yak9 defenatly isnt a grate plane. It goes somthing like 515 520 km/h on deck where 109g2 that outclimbs it also goes 530 and yaks are only marginaly better is sustained horizontal turns. Yak 3 is a good plane still not an uber like Tempest. 109 k4 is better in speed and climb worse in manuverability compered to yak 3 so its all fine here IMO. But i153 can take to much punishment.
vote 7: -exec- is a woodpecker ))... ok seriously.. give as datafile and test_enviroment. We customize it for real FM and DM. Imho good specialist is stec, piterk, oldwin, vojtas and me. -- Maybe im cheater, but... only I knows what to do it )
No no no, it is definitely not a case of just Russian planes being misrepresented in one way or another. Personally I'm usually red, which means I never fly against Russian planes and since I don't normally fly them myself I really haven't got a clue whether they're uber or unter or whatever. Anyway, the fact of the matter is that certain planes from all represented nations across the board are incorrectly modeled. Some are better than they probably were and some aren't quite as good as they should be (Jesus Christ, please look into the Ki-61 lol). So no, I don't think there's a political agenda involved. By the way, why should this have been a thread for the Poles only?
