Which new aircraft do you want?

Discussion in 'Warbirds International' started by HoHun, Mar 25, 2003.

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Which new aircraft do you want?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2003.
  1. Me 109E-7/N (slightly faster Emil)

    42 vote(s)
    38.2%
  2. Fw 190A-1 (slower/lightly armoured Fw 190)

    45 vote(s)
    40.9%
  3. Spitfire V early (accurate Spitfire Vb)

    22 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. Spitfire V late (high-performance Spitfire Vc)

    22 vote(s)
    20.0%
  5. Spitfire IX early (high-altitude Spitfire)

    16 vote(s)
    14.5%
  6. Spitfire IX late (high-performance Spitfire IX)

    23 vote(s)
    20.9%
  7. P-51A (counterpart to Fw 190A)

    32 vote(s)
    29.1%
  8. Ki 44 (faster and better armed than Ki-43)

    55 vote(s)
    50.0%
  9. Ju 88S-1 (fast bomber capability for the Axis)

    51 vote(s)
    46.4%
  10. Mosquito B. XVI (faster Mossie bomber with more bombs)

    28 vote(s)
    25.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi everyone,

    here's a list of aircraft suggestions. The aircraft I selected are all classics from the 1940 - 1945 era that is the main focus of the game, and they would all help to improve game balance.

    Most of them can also be easily produced by modifying the existing 3D models, which is the real bottleneck with new aircraft.

    Here a short description for the planes:

    - Me 109E-7/N

    E-4 with a more powerful engine. Would help close the gap between Emils and newer Allied planes (LaGG-3, Spitfire II, Spitfire V).

    - Fw 190A-1

    First (lightly armed) variant of the Fw 190A-1 that gave the RAF such a hard time in mid-war. Of the A-1, A-2 and A-3 that are all missing from the game, the A-1 will be the best choice for game balance.

    - Spitfire V (early/late split)

    The Spitfire V (late) would be a better opponent for the Fw 190 low as it is lighter and more manoeuvrable than the Spitfire IX.

    - Spitfire IX (early/late split)

    The Spitfire IX (late) is more capable than the Spitfire IX (early). An accurate Spitfire IX (late) would be the high-altitude fighter/interceptor while Spitfire V (late) would be the low-altitude fighter/Jabo. The Spitfire IX (late) has improved low-altitude performance, too.

    - P-51A

    Another first-class opponent for the Fw 190A. Good for balance.

    - Ki 44

    A pretty good fighter, heavier armed and faster than the Ki-43. It would close the last gap in the Japanese Army fighter series.

    - Ju 88S-1

    Gives the Luftwaffe a fast bomber capability similar to that of the Mosquito (but not quite as good). This plugs a tactical gap, too, as the Axis currently don't have a fast bomber at all.

    - Mosquito B. XVI

    Improved version of the Mosquito which is competitive in speed to the late-war fighters. It also could carry 2 extra bombs externally.

    Please vote to indicate which of these aircraft you'd like to see implemented!

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  2. Malino

    Malino Well-Known Member

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    Why all these "opponents" to the 190 when the La5-FN beats the pants off it already. You should be suggesting an Axis aircraft to counter the La5-FN not vice versa.

    Malino
     
  3. spuint

    spuint Well-Known Member

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    i fly both sides and i think golds have worse aircraft;
    new emil and first fockewulf are great idea, becouse there is time when first emil cant fight new allies planes (and there is no plane wich could fight as effectively as reds planes until franz4 is released);
    franz4 now dont have such advantage in combat as it was before, but its good thing; the bad thing is that, when new allied planes are released after f4, there is no fast enough plane to fight them until 190a4 is available;imo 109e7/n and 190a1 would be best choice for a game balance;
     
  4. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Malino,

    >Why all these "opponents" to the 190 when the La5-FN beats the pants off it already.

    The La-5FN is not accurate currently and will be fixed anyway.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  5. Aser

    Aser Well-Known Member

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    My votes are for ki44 and Ju88S, they would fill the gap in japanesse fighter series and the lack in bomber at gold side.

    My second option: I agree with the arguments of spuint too.

    And my 3rd option: P51A (despite Iґm afraid it would be used as figthter instead of attack plane with those 4x20mm)
     
  6. Malino

    Malino Well-Known Member

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    Thanks hohun.

    Doubt it, with all that weight it would have the handling of a pig.


    Mal
     
  7. heme

    heme Well-Known Member

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    It seems ok to give us all the new planes - but the main problem for the "Golds" is to have no rox for their jabos and new planes doesn`t change this.
    I fly for both sides and think, the balance is really ok (except for jabos).
     
  8. babek-

    babek- Well-Known Member

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    I voted for Ki44 and Ju88S.


    Is there any hope that the He111 will be added in future ?
     
  9. -exec-

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    Ki-44-Ia, 1200hp, 580km/h@3700m, 2xType89(7.7Vickers) in nose, 2xType1(12.7Ho103) in wings, 40 pre-serial samples, autumn 1942.

    Ki-44-IIb, 1520hp, 605km/h@5200m, 2xType1 in nose, 2xType1 in wings, early of 1943, about 1000 samples

    Ki-44-IIc, Ki-44-IIb with 4x20mmHo3 cannons, some quantity from Ki-44-IIb

    HoHun, which Shoki do you mean?
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    Also I'd notice that Mustang Mk.I, IA, P-51A is not counterpart for FW.190A-1,2. This Pony is fighter-bomber afaik.
     
  10. -fla--

    -fla-- Well-Known Member

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    Before I vote, how many of each were contructed/saw action ?
     
  11. Kutya

    Kutya Banned

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    The most of these planes aren't really brand new as I see; these are just another versions or modifications of the ones we already have. What about the Brewster Buffalo, which is still hidden, but already in the game? Would be nice to have it, with accurate FM, if possible.

    Anyways, I voted for all of these planes, though I would like to fly the P-51A and the Fw 190A-1 principally.
     
  12. Dhyran

    Dhyran Well-Known Member

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    hi Henning,

    i fly for both sides, and so i think a e7 faster emil is a good thing.
    the pure t1 is only to use in the earliest days.

    good job !
     
  13. Bobby

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    All! And tablets from greed, and more! :D
     
  14. -nicae-

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    an accident made an unfinished FM fix for la5FN to come out in previous release :shuffle:
     
  15. -nicae-

    -nicae- Well-Known Member

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    how humble :rolleyes: :super:
     
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    -nicae- Well-Known Member

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    i want 190a2, not a1 :shuffle:
    depending on amount of action, maybe 109e7..
    p51a sounds nice
    splitting spitV into Vb and Vc is good too
    ki44 is said to be important
    he111 :)
    mc205 :)
    and all those planes that are half-done already :)
     
  17. Count

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    Yak 9U :shuffle:
     
  18. beryl

    beryl Well-Known Member

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    <===<< F-14 ;)
    Shoki would be nice, but probably useless like Shinden, Ju88S - cool!
    Pony A, 190A... hmm why not? I'd rather like to see Tenzan,Devastator, Corsair with 4x20 ;) but now i'll take everything what you give ;)
     
  19. Snakeye

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    p-11c.... :p
     
  20. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Aser,

    >And my 3rd option: P51A (despite Iґm afraid it would be used as figthter instead of attack plane with those 4x20mm)

    Here's some data on the Mustang:

    Mustang I: 620 built for the RAF, 20 lost enroute.
    Mustang IA: 45 built for the RAF.
    Mustang II: 50 built for the RAF.
    P-51-NA: 150 built for the USAAF.
    P-51A: 358 built for the USAAF.
    A-36A: 500 built for the USAAF.
    F-6A: 55 built for the USAAF.

    First combat dates:

    Mustang I: 1942-08 (England, in squadron strength)
    Mustang IA: 1942?
    Mustang II: 1943?
    P-51-NA: 1943?
    P-51A: 1943-11 (CBI)
    A-36A: 1943-07 (Mediteranean)
    F-6A: 1943-04 (Africa)

    So I'd say the version to implement would be the Mustang I as it's the earliest one, and the one to see combat in the greatest numbers.

    The Mustang I was a version powered by a Allison V-1710-F3R and it was armed with 2 x 0.50" in the nose, and 2 x 0.50" + 4 x 0.30" in the wings.

    The first cannon Mustang to see combat was the Mustang IA, but as you can see the RAF only had 45 of these, comprared to 600 MG-armed Mustangs.

    The Mustang was designed primarily as a fighter, by the way. One of the duties the RAF had for the Mustang was low-level interception of Fw 190 Jabo raids :) In the CBI theatre, the USAAF used the P-51A as escort fighter for attacks on Rangoon, where it met Ki-43 and Ki-44 fighters.

    Only the A-36A was a dedicated attack aircraft.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)