Ki-84 1c

First of all: Merry Xtmas for all pilots !!!!

Don´t blame about 30mm only. Allies got 30mm in FHL earlier than golds.
If you are meaning sprayers, gold pilots are farted been shot d8 even d10 by 20mm sprayers... Flying buffs any red can shot down gold buffs with 12mm (or 20mm is faster) shoting from d8-d10 away otto range.
I would like that FHL version back were distance had a great influence in damage. As far was the shot, less damage was taken. It would avoid sprayers.

 

Não me admira o fato de que, a cada dia, o FH fique cada vez mais jogado às traças...os bons pilotos se foram há muito, junto com as boas pessoas. Só restou a escória...vc faz uma sugestão e logo vêm 10 animais metendo o malho e desvirtuando a porra do tópico...

 

any 30mm in wing stabs etc = pe8 dwn ,

 

Pe8 alltime need 2-3 x 37 mm or 5-6x30 mm for any real damage from d7... + 20 mm burst...

 

Летез ты сам много на пе8 летаешь? То что ты вовремя перестать стрелять не успеваешь ни о чём не говорит.
Правда некоторые запчасти могут спасти Пе 8 от гибели ценой собственной Можно поймать 37 в engine и встанет только мотор.
но 37 в крыло непереживет никто.

 

скорее (probably) 2-3x30mm

 

21:50:45 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 11.020 m in cfuselage
21:50:45 -HOST-(Private): Bf 110G-2 hited your [Vstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
21:50:45 -HOST-(Private): Bf 110G-2 hited your [Lfuel] by 1x[MG151/20]
21:50:45 -HOST-(Private): Bf 110G-2 hited your [Cfuselage] by 3x[MK108_30mm]

Хотя, можно было ограничиться только Vstab'ом.

Правда, есть и такие:
22:31:27 -HOST-(Host): Kill of bimbom by eppinn from JG 70 "Die gruenen Ritter"
22:31:40 -HOST-(Private): you've got 37 30-40mm in this sortie
========
или такие
23:24:47 -HOST-(Host): Kill of bimbom by birusa from -SiBEERian Brigade-
23:25:00 -HOST-(Private): you've got 4 7.62mm in this sortie
23:25:00 -HOST-(Private): you've got 84 20mm in this sortie
23:25:00 -HOST-(Private): you've got 17 30-40mm in this sortie

 

Я часто по пе8 стреляю.

Ты никогда не пробовал попасть из 30 или 37 мм в маневрирующий как и16 Пе8, у которого в заду выстроилась толпа злобных отт, которые стиснув зубы ждут команды Д6?

Ты никогда не пробовал найти в голубом небе В24, который только что был вот где-то здесь? Не хочешь ли сравнить выживаемость голдовских буффов и редовских?

После тренировочных вылетов по поводу верхуправляемости 110 Г2 у тебя, как я понял, сомнений больше не осталось?

 

Pe-8 получил 94х20мм с д4-д6 потеряв элеватор. Упал не скоро.

 

Забанте лаггера. На 1/6 он должен был анигилировать.

 

А кто лаггер? Бирюса? Не замечал.
Мой пинг достаточно редко бывает выше 60ms, обычно 20-40ms.


23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rudder] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:42 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:12:43 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:43 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:43 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:44 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 0.987 m in lwing
23:12:44 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 4x[MG151/20]
23:12:44 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 0.359 m in lairleron
23:12:44 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 0.377 m in lwing
23:12:44 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Laileron] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:12:44 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:12:45 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Hstab (0.073)
23:12:45 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Nosegun (0.073)
23:12:47 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Rfuel (0.073)
23:12:47 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Tailgun (0.073)
23:12:47 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's R_wing (0.073)
23:12:48 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Elev (0.073)
23:12:48 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Hstab (0.073)
23:12:48 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Laileron (0.073)
23:12:48 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's L_wing (0.073)
23:12:48 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Flaps (0.073)
23:12:49 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Oil_eng1 (0.073)
23:12:49 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's L_wing (0.073)

тут я отбомбился и пошёл домой

23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Raileron] by 1x[7.9mm_MG17s]
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Raileron] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[7.9mm_MG17s]
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20s]
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Vstab] by 1x[7.9mm_MG17s]
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 1x[7.9mm_MG17s]
23:23:38 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 0.179 m in elevator
23:23:38 -pasha(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[MG151/20s]
23:23:43 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in -pasha's R_wing (0.073)
23:23:43 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:23:48 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:23:48 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:23:48 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:23:48 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:23:48 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rudder] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:06 -HOST-(Host): You got a piece of -pasha yourself though!
23:24:06 -HOST-(Host): Kill of -pasha by monstr from 25th IAP (VVS)
23:24:14 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Raileron] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:14 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:14 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:14 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Oil_eng4] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:14 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:15 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Eng1 (0.073)
23:24:15 bimbom(Private): I've hit 1x12.7mm_UBS in birusa's Hstab (0.073)
23:24:15 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 2.448 m in rwing
23:24:15 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Cfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:15 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:15 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:16 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 4.387 m in rwing
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Cfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 0.367 m in elevator
23:24:16 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 2.938 m in hstab
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 -HOST-(Green): Your are near to damaged your R_wing due V-overspeed ? собсно здесь я уже начал падать
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:16 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rudder] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 3x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Cfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 -HOST-(Green): Your are near to damaged your R_wing due V-overspeed
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rudder] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:17 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Elev] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Flaps] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [L_wing] by 2x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Oil_eng2] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Hstab] by 2x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MG151/20]
23:24:18 -HOST-(Green): Your are near to damaged your R_wing due V-overspeed
23:24:18 -HOST-(Damage): you've got hole 2.448 m in rwing
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Tailgun] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:18 birusa(Private): I've hited your [R_wing] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:19 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Rfuselage] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:19 birusa(Private): I've hited your [Eng3] by 1x[MK108_30mm]
23:24:47 -HOST-(Host): Kill of bimbom by birusa from -SiBEERian Brigade-
Итого, активная атака продолжалась 5 сек. Бирюсу, видимо, сильно болтало. В спутной струе, наверное .

 

We can try this in TA mb im wrong mb you...
But 37mm = 100%

 

1. пробовал .
(маневрирующий как И 16 ??? Наверно " знатный варпер Фрихоста" )
2. Чем Б24 отличается в этом плане от остальных?
Выживаемость зависит от тактики приминения (меняю всех отт на 1 ковера)
3. Сомнений нет в отличной маневренности , но спорить с тобой небуду
ибо бесполезно (как и настаивать на утяжелении 110г2 с 30/37мм
так как обещал и невыполнимо)

 

Полетали на ТА - пе8 vs 109 г14
что показало вскрытие : 1х30мм с д2-д1 в крыло- приводят к полному
его потерянию , с больших дистанций нужно от 1до 3х30мм в худшем случае , попадание в стабы с любой дистанции - стабов нет
мотры ,элероны, пилот армор, - тоже самое , 37мм даже не испытывал.
То-есть если попасть правильно 1х30мм хватит на пе8 (не рандомная
пк или ещё что а гарантированный отрыв крыла/стаба)
но если пытатся поливать в сторону с д 10 -можно рассовать по моторам
флапсам элеронам итп дофига 30ок.