3 P-47D-10-RE serials 42-75201 to 42-75203 100 P-47D-22-RE serials 42-2553975201 to 42-25638 50 P-47D-27-RE serials 42-27015 to 42-27064 50 P-47D-27-RE serials 42-27115 to 42-27164
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/lendlse.html may be i can obtain a number of soviet dora-9's, but it's post-war already illo, how you manage to find such an interesting pics?
Btw. as i've heard many russians say no p-38s were used by VVS i might find you some pictures. Just searching from it. Finnish pilots can't have misidentified anything as p-38 im sure. Also i wan't to find info about those 2 p51bs seen on finnish front.
Here confirmed victories of I. Juutilainen: I-153 -13; I-16 -11; SB-2 -2; DB-3/-3F -5; MiG-1/-3 -5; Hurricane -4; Spitfire -2; LaGG-3 -5; Tomahawk P-40 -1; Lightning P-38 -1; Pe-2 -4; Airacobra P-39 -4; La-5 -11; La-7 -1; Yak-1/-7 -2; Yak-9 -12; IL-2 -7; Mustang P-51 -2; He-111 -1; Li-2 -1. He-111 was german I think. It was bad weather over gulf of finland and ilmari juutilanen got very close to this bomber to inspect it. Gunner opened fire so he responded, but saw german markings IIRC.
WTG Illo, very interesting pictures! You are a true forum digger. I have heard a lot about Soviet P-47s, and although that I believed these stories, never had seen a picture of them. Now, I'm waiting for the P-38 and P-51
At least common knowledge says p51 and p38 in russia are just myth. I just found out there was a P-38L-1 s/n 424384 for "entertaining purposes" in 173 IAP DD.
As I said 2 P51A where in Moscow in test center. Couple of P38 where in test center too(was bought in America). And couple of P38 where built from those p38 who crashed on Soviet teriotory. Where did you get info about P38 in 173IAP? And about it's serial number? They simply can't be on Karelija front. P47 can be here coz it have long range and use in Soviet Navy.
I found! I found! 173 IAP DD equiped with A-20 as hevy long-range fighter. 173 IAP DD dislocated in Belorussia(How many killometrs to Finland? 2000 or 3000?). They get ditched P38 and, yes, 173IAP used it for "entertaining purposes"(not in combat just fly over airbase). Illo i still think that better way to find Juutilainen's P38 is to seek shot downed Fw189(for example from JG5 or somethig else).
Just something more i found. http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-EstamaBrothers.html#mustang "Valte Estama was flying with his wingman, when suddenly some Mustangs climbed to their side. "They rose there like ELEVATORS. First we thought they were Airacobras, but then realized they didn't really look like them... When I got to the Fighter Squadron 24 we got no briefing of the enemy planes, they just said that we'd know the enemy when we met them. That's how it was. We looked at them and they at us, then they did a barrel-roll around us and soared away. They didn't shoot, so we didn't bother to shoot either. They went away, and that was the only time I saw Mustangs flying during the war." Estama had wondered when the plane wasn't slender like the Airacobra, but "it had that bump in the bottom, the air intake. It looked longer to me." Grendel in AH boards: "Other examination has shown that they received more Mustangs. We also have a confirmed sighting of four P-38s over the Karelian skies in June/July 1944. Hell if I know where those P-51s and P-38s came from, but they were there whatever official lend-lease figures claim." The Russians received 10 Mustang Is from the RAF in May 42. Maybe more? Camo in AH boards: "It was Lt Kyosti Karhila, who scored 32 confirmed victories in Curtiss Hawks and 109s. During summer -44 he shot two P51s down with his 109 G-6, equipped with the 20mm gondolas. Both were in a horizontal turn'n'burn fight. He describes one of the victores in detail. After several 360 degree circles the P51 tried to tighten the turn, was about to stall, loosened the pull, which enabled "Kossi" to get enough lead to get the shot in. The whole left side of the P51 was torn off. Altitude was about 2km, speeds around 250km/h for Karhila, 300km/h for the P51. This enabled Karhila to stay inside in the turn. There has been a lot of debate whether these planes were P51s or Yaks. Karhila is well aware of the differences between the planes. There were altogether six P51 claims made by the Finnish pilots. Many details suggest that the planes indeed were P51s, with the "razorback" style fuselage and cage canopy as in the P51B in AH." Look for a new interview of Karhila, coming soon to the virtualpilots' website: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/ Grendel: "Mr. Karhilas description of the enemy plane also does not fit LaGG-3 at all. A square rudder, straight wing tips, full metal construction which came apart under his cannon and machine gun fire giving him a perfect look and so on. He had time there to make mental notes and has great memory. From the plain description our Kossu thought "that is a P-51" when we chatted once with him, and further speaking only confirmed it. Which Soviet plane had square rudder, straight wing tips, radiator under fuselage, P-51A/B like canopy and was used against Finland in 1944? Most paperwork says that couldn't have been a P-51 - but it was. And Karhila's P-51 shootdowns were not the only ones."
illo it's ALL WORDS !!! No document no trust. When i heared " I fighted with horde of German He112 at 1941 on my I16" from veterans i say ok but i know that it's false. So i don't belive it. When i see documents i belive.
Once I talked to Grendel about the fact that in March, 1940, one DB-3 was reported to be shot down by Finnish Spitfire. Grendel found out that in fact it was not a Spit but a FIAT G.50 Correct recognition is a very difficult thing.
Source, documents, etc... ??? ________ P.S. illo thinck again: how much P51 were built till 1943? And it was newest plane.
