Arcade or Realism? where are FH heading?

IMO going to arcade
why:
- uber la-5 (flyes like planes ufo, and is hard as hell!!!)
- il2 (deathstar, we need x-wing)
- tweaking all other russian planes (yak's).
- Using these small (old mediterrian) maps.
- Tweaking fw190a4 it sucks now!

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-KP-


[This message has been edited by Kimmo_Pyhajarvi (edited 27 January 2001).]

 

uber La-5 - Why uber? No more "uber" than Fw190.
Il-2 - every time i fly Il-2 and meet 190 or 109 - i'm dead sooner or later. Sometimes i can kill that gold in HO, sometimes my gunnery saves me. But usually i'm dead.

Whats wrong with Yak's tweaking? Just correcting some IMOL's errors.

Small map? Darn. Who want to fly that huge wbmedrl2 map with 15 pilots in arena?
We were flying that "small" map with even 80 pilots and didnt feel it overcrowded.

Tweaking 190.... OK. Not it's _more_ maneuverable. Is it bad?



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WBR,
Africa

 

About small map:
Can the radar ranges be "reduced" so u can try to capture field without noticing... or get up from field without enemy knowing instantly where i am.
(Enemy can see you from nearby field radar)

About fw190:
yep it's good to make plane better "turner". but all who have flown 190a4 knows that it eats Energy like PIG and when low on Energy you are = DEAD. IMO modifications to 190a4 havent done it a better dogfighter. Just plane what cant do a real hammerhead (fw190's speciality normally)

about LA-5FN:
Hell. it's good best plane under 3.5km absolytely! as fast as f4u-1d. Very good turner. Doesn't eat Energy. VERY good cannons. Maybe later date in RPS would be good?


(or maybe this all is my bad flying...)
(it's good to have debate here. not in channel 100)

[This message has been edited by Kimmo_Pyhajarvi (edited 26 January 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Kimmo_Pyhajarvi (edited 26 January 2001).]

 

1) Fly lower then 100m & radar didnt see you
2) Kill Radar

So you want 190a4 be less maneurable (but able to do a hummerhead)?
i can do that...

As say one my frends "Luftwaffe pilots was not happy about La-5FN"
but:
109s have much better climb
109f have better turn
190A faster at hights (as 109g10 at 4km)
near all german (& not only german) planes have better armament
btw: Yak-3 have better perfomance then la5 in near all aspects...

hmm how cute

 

Hi dudes!

IMO when comparing axis vs. allied planes it is more about speed and turning ability than armament. Who gets first to shooting position normally wins.

Now let's see fastest planes in this time of ToD:

Axis:
190a8.......607km/h
190a4.......605km/h

Allies:
P51b........648km/h
F4u-1d.....629km/h
La5fn.......620km/h
Yak-9d.....614km/h

When all those Allies planes also turn better than 190, I think 190 is not so uber. Must wait for Dora

And yes, 109's mayby climb well, but they are so slow.. Must wait for 109k

-doku-

[This message has been edited by -doku- (edited 26 January 2001).]

 

WHERE you get these numbers doku??

makes me laught
sure really fun

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Roman aka rgreat from =Flying Barans=

 

posting again:

Code:

 LA-5FN 190A-8 190A-4 109G-6  109F-4  109G10  Yak-3  109K-4  Ki-84
  570     565    560    535     510     545    565    575     555

all speeds in IAS at 200m alt (WEP)

note that with different alt speeds may differ much
P.S. You may see whese data on my older post in this forum

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Roman aka rgreat from =Flying Barans=

 

rgreat: i give u a link where u can find doku's speed table.

http://home.udmnet.ru/aike/planes.html

I bet that u never been there

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-KP-

 

hmm how do i say...
this page not represent REAL WB planes stats
where is too simplified, and greatly differ from reality

btw: even speed differs much on one plane with different altitude and post one number for one plane is a error...

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Roman aka rgreat from =Flying Barans=

 

Doku,

Although a newbie to Freebirds, I did play IEN's version for a short period of time and notice a huge difference in the FW190's here.

On IEN there is no way a 190 would turn fight because they would die immediately. Here the turn performance is almost on a par with a Spit 9. It's not unusual to see 190's dancing around runways here.

I don't know whether lag has something to do with it but also I have been killed countless time HO at what appears to be D12 by a variety of planes. On IEN you can leave a break turn to around D6 pretty safely. It's like some of em are shooting house size bullets!

All in all, the game seems very different to the real thing.

Also I have seen bombers shooting in steep turns. Is the IEN fix for this disabled here?

newbie

 

Yup, lag can ruin or HO fights... I usually break off at d10, depending on my connection quality...
d10 seems to be the best breakoff point in FH... if u continue ur HO from that point, be sure to pound the con

mcosta
Sturmtruppen

 

"this page not represent REAL WB planes stats
where is too simplified, and greatly differ from reality"


so you are adminting that the game is more arcade then real. Why not give the real stats a try? afraid that your red planes wont be as good?

 

also why give the 190 better turning? the plane wasnt ment to be a turn fighter so why make it that way? the only people i ever see complaining about a 190 turn ability are those who dont know how to use the plane the way it was intended to be used

 

i was meaning reality of FH
e.g. "this page" data not represent true FH planes stats

as for "afraid that..." dont be surprised if real life "red" planes will be more powerful then now...
you think i takes new planes stats from nothing (or just dreaming about)?
you wrong...

as for 190 turn ability afaik 190a4 may turn with 109G, but if you want lower maneurability back, its you call...
post question on forum & we will see results.

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Roman aka rgreat from =Flying Barans=

 

Best LW turner is.. no, not 109f... not any of 190's of course...

110's are best LW high speed/E turners if you did not known that yet.

-doku-

 

What about 109 with 30mm gun??is it not enough?

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С уважением,matros

Проклятая гололёдица!

 

What do you mean "your red planes"?

I think that if more people (squads) switch their sides for ToD then it will be better for side balance and you will get a better picture of how planes are modeled.


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phantom aka --ph--
228 ShAD VVS RKKA

 

All positive qualities of Russian fighters are brought to nothing by weak guns. I have ceased to fly on Russian fighters after have spoiled SHVAK.
-hunt-

 

>>>"this page" data not represent true FH planes stats

well, then!! get us true numbers, plz!! or else, i can say that the admins have a certain advantage, by knowing who really climbs better, runs best, etc.
im not saying that you guys are cheaters. dont get me wrong. im asking that you give us the 'reality', plz! i still dont know about many planes and wish to learn more. if i cant check out those tech stats, i must go on 'what all say', but even according to ivan, not always what they say is tech data.
for example, all say that 109K is the 1st in climb, and 109F is 2nd. but 1st is Yak-3 and 2nd is SpitXIV. well.. at least on those unrealistic numbers!

btw, i must agree with --ph--. although i fly AFVS, wich is only gold, the fact of people switching sides each ToD would make people not worrying about one side's aircraft.

cya, pals!
nicae!


[This message has been edited by -nicae- (edited 30 January 2001).]

 

See my old topic 'real WB(FH) planes data'...
there some planes extensive data...
about others not having so full info...
(have'n't time to full test all planes)

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Roman aka rgreat from =Flying Barans=