Arcade or Realism? where are FH heading?

and how many ki-84s were produced?
lol! it would be curious to fly a plane with the recoil of a 45mm!

Easter front project? wuzzat?
and why dont russians want yak9/t??

cya! nicae!

 

no more "bla...blaaa... blllaaa..."
UP and REDs meet U... Prepare 2 DIE!!!


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-ksan- from 25th IAP
... а Минздрав предупреждал!...

 

PARANOIC !!!!

Mc'Donalds's "up-groun child"....

Save me from this one GOLD crying!!!

U R have enought.


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-ksan- from 25th IAP
... а Минздрав предупреждал!...

 

quote:
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Originally posted by -gyg-:
The main slogan here - we are RUSSIANS! And we want to fly RUSSIAN uber-planes on our RUSSIAN server! Who is not agree - go to iEN.
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PARANOIC !!!!

\\\ Just translating some postages from General Discussion. Most of foreigners do not understand russian.

quote:
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That is why we MUST improove ShVAK, and remove these Spits and Americans. And sure, forget dozens modifications of 109-190.
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Mc'Donalds's "up-groun child"....

\\\\\\ When I was a child and even student here was only Pel'mennaya, my young friend.

quote:
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Modifications of yak?
Sure!
Modifications of 109G? 109K? 190A, 190FG - never!
"30 mm is not enought?"
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Save me from this one GOLD crying!!!

\\\\Regia Aeronautica flies for both Reds and Golds.
We are switching sides every ToD, my RED crybaby.

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What about 190 or 109 with 3x30 mm as an answer for Yak-9T (or even K if you whant)?
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U R have enought.

\\\\\\\\\That is exectly what I mean. There is not a sign of historycism.
Only strange definitions - "you have enought - we haven't enought".

Good VVS pilots during WWII managed to kill 109 and 190 even with I-153 and I-16.
You can not? Maybe you are not good enought for Soviet planes?

So the answer for -kp- initial question (Subj):

That goes to be PURE ARCADE GAME.



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-yuri-
Regia Aeronautica

 

Clinic...

 

Hey guys why you don't slow down a bit? Even if you are all ambitous pilots and want to fly for your country it is still a game...

The best fights I had was when after one guy lost or must escape you had a friendly conversation afterwards via privat channel or 100.

The good thing about flying FH is that we want realism instead of Arcade Kindergarten games. So we all agree about that, don't we?

From my point of view it is not important for me if my 190 is a bit slower then compareable allie planes. The pilot and the tactic wins not the speed...
But- if one side has to much advantage the other side will loose there motion to play the game...correct?

And all you red and gold pilots what would be the game if you have only friendly pilots around and a small number of enemies in weak planes?

Please think about it...


Best regards Alexej Adjudant JG26 and permanent member in the Tog Gun rating ;-))

 

I respect -yuri-'s words. becouse he is one of those who change side every ToD. And surely know's what he is talking about.

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-KP-

[This message has been edited by Kimmo_Pyhajarvi (edited 02 February 2001).]

 

We want Yak9T. But we also know that there will be tonns of gold cries and we don't want it.

 

I dont have anything against yak9t. But the Fm of it cant be straight from yak3. Would be a awesome killer
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Gold 30mm planes.
bad sides:
110g:
slow and bad turner when on low speed, climbs bad.

109g10:
slow and quite bad sustained turn.

109k:
locks all control surfaces when over 600kmh
sustained turn bad.

Good on 30mm planes.

110g:
30mm
4x rockets
pretty good turner when high speed

109g10:
30mm
climbs good

109k:
fast
climbs good
30mm
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as you can see from my own made "table". all 30mm planes have their downside's. In my hands 109k is absolutely worthless! becouse i am no good turnfighter. And i hope when making yak9t there is a bad side too...

over and out!

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-KP-

 

You probably mistaken: Yak9T had flight model from Yak9 with speed lower by 10kmh.

Bad sides ... All planes have bad sides, didn't yo know that? let's take a look at your table.

>109G10 slow and quite bad sustained turn

Slightly slower than F4U4, faster than Yak3. Can turn fight with Yak3.
So these are the only bad sides of 109G10? Take a second plz and write about bad sides of Yak3.

BTW 3 gold planes hve 30mm. How many red planes have hi caliber cannons? What red plane is faster or equal to 109G10 and can turn with it?

 

bad sides of yak3:
hmm. hmmm. eeh. hmmm. (can't get any)

good sides:
VERY fast (accelerates so fast!)
VERY good climber!
VERY good sustainen turn.
VERY good cannons (fast projectile)
Keeps energy VERY good in turns!
Quite hard!
No wep (allways full power).
VERY good in dives (stabile)
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hmm. anything else in mind?



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-KP-

 

Thank you for your support!

But I have a little bit different definition for these "russian" nazi-s:

ZOO.




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-yuri-
Regia Aeronautica

 

No problem.
Just let it be - R* /U* modifications of LW.
You will be surprised.

The main problem is that you nearly have no opportunity to change 45 mm to 20 mm.
But 109 G or K - can do It 3-4 times a DAY.
I mean change 1x30 to 3x30 for example.

Have you understand that?
Or some additional explainations needed?




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-yuri-
Regia Aeronautica

 

Oh Oh Oh KP!

You couldn't have flown for reds 2/5 of your carrear or it is very short

>VERY fast (accelerates so fast!) slower then 109G10,190d9, equal to ki84

>VERY good climber!
Below 4km

>VERY good sustainen turn
More poor then 109f, ki84

>VERY good cannons (fast projectile)
Aufull with present gunnery. Equal to HO5, but only 1 instead of 2.

>Keeps energy VERY good in turns!
Not better than Ki84 or 109G10

>Quite hard!
Don't make me laugh

>No wep (allways full power).
No WEP means no extra power.

>VERY good in dives (stabile)
Very unstable in dives (aelerons are greatly effected by the airflow). Unstable in hi-to-low speed steep turns.

You should add to this, that Yak3 looses almost all of his strong sides above 5km.

PS: You actually didn't mention the stronges sides

PPS: I still love this plane

 

well.. basically all fights are under 5 Km..!!

and i think i misunderstood gyg, thinking he supports reds. so dont get wrong what i said previously.

and i think that FH pilots started to get an affection for one side and always want to have the best plane available to him and not to cons. well.. plz remember this is a game, and we can always switch sides if we feel unconfortable with the current planes/gunnery. (plz dont do spying! )
i once complained about mcosta and rcosta changing to red once.. and i take it back.. what IS the problem?

btw.. yak3 is the best climber under 4 km, where most battles take place. (ok.. i dont know if thats right, but i just want to show a point)
yeah, rgreat! your little table about real FH didnt convince me. there arent all stats for those planes. not even climb (i think)

peace, all!
nicae

 

Geeeeez people why can't you understand that WB IS PURE ARCADE GAME!!
It is simplified to the limits and it uses aircraft data that differs alot from RL to make this game playable and balanced, otherwise you would see 2, max. 3 types of planes flying in arena. When you gonna realise this?

You want realistic simulator? Then how about implementing 20-steps engine starting procedure, 40 keys for engine and prop-pitch management, 1:1 map and 2-hour sorties without even seeing an enemy? THIS would be realism

Stec

 

stac-- wrote:
You want realistic simulator? Then how about implementing 20-steps engine starting procedure, 40 keys for engine and prop-pitch management, 1:1 map and 2-hour sorties without even seeing an enemy? THIS would be realism

LOL and 1-life-in-ToD too (just like -illo- in last ToD, yes he did that!). Anyway I think WB is best possible realtime on-line sim around. Just like instant (1 sec or less) chess

FFC
-doku-

 

Enough of this. Thread locked.

To guys who want Soviet "uber-planes" to be "the best" and want to "remove those spits": go build yourself another server, because you'll probably have to play there alone.

You have to thank our foreign friends for coming here to play with you, sometimes despite of serious threats and Western "public opinion".

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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
wb:boroda
Commissar 25th IAP VVS