Strut is support bar in aircraft fuselage for me. Seems like there is not enough support for this idea to come true. Too bad...more variation would have been good for FH. Especially combined with factories and economy. We could have had so much better sim instead of this capture-the-field game.
no streak limitation again, i want to state that i am against streak-controlled limitation. if any score-based limitation will be implemented, it will change behaviour of some pilots. some excellent pilots don't care of streaks, and some less-skilled do. streak-flying is different than team-flying, dogfighting or field attacking. i won't deny there are also good points in forcing pilots to think of staying alive. but imagine only the chute-killer-discussion again. furthermore i don't feel comfortable when i think, that (assuming) "better" pilots will get "better" planes. what is that for? i understand the demand for restricting, but i am more on gahris side. sortie-dependent restriction is not suitable, right. what about a flight-time dependent availability of planes? for example flight-time/sortie? maybe field-capturing can be added to the formula to reward those, who take the boring and dangerous team-supporting job of taxi-driver? i think of a formula (like monstr-points), which supports team-flying and which shows the fun of a pilot in playing warbirds. maybe also the experience, but not necessarily the skills. don't know, what can be added to the formula in this sense?
Bad idea. Good pilots get better planes earlier. Bad pilots become easier targets and their chance to get a higher streak is going down. No teamfly cause everyone is looking at his streak to get better planes. Everyone is looking around to get easy targets and only help other players if his own streak is not in danger. These restrictions wouldbe against quaking but not good for teamplay. How about this: Make acks more dangerous to reduce furballing over fields. Make all targets harder to destroy so that more buffs are needed. Every field need a target that only a bomber can destroy.
You like it so that all fly latest überplanes? Have you ever noticed that great majority of so called "better" players fly in teams? Have you ever noticed that they try to organize some attacks while others just takeoff to furball and die? But whatever. I hope you get your harder targets and deadlier anti vulch acks....heh screw the realism.
Re: no streak limitation Originally posted by ledada again, i want to state that i am against streak-controlled limitation. if any score-based limitation will be implemented, it will change behaviour of some pilots. some excellent pilots don't care of streaks, and some less-skilled do. Yes? Streak-flying is different than team-flying, dogfighting or field attacking. I try to stay alive and fly in teams. Teams seem to help me staying alive. Strange, eh? You have never seen me attacking fields? I won't deny there are also good points in forcing pilots to think of staying alive. No one is forcing nobody. but imagine only the chute-killer-discussion again. ? furthermore i don't feel comfortable when i think, that (assuming) "better" pilots will get "better" planes. what is that for? Furthermore you don't feel comfortable that better pilots get more kills? No, pilots who try will get better planes (if they want to). Its reward, not restriction imho. No one needs to be above average pilot to get 3 streak or so. Not atleast with current allaround suicide attitude. I understand the demand for restricting, but i am more on gahris side. sortie-dependent restriction is not suitable, right. what about a flight-time dependent availability of planes? for example flight-time/sortie? Yes, I agree any restriction which results some variety will be good. Maybe field-capturing can be added to the formula to reward those, who take the boring and dangerous team-supporting job of taxi-driver? Some people like to fly ju52...its not boring. Atleast i like it. I think of a formula (like monstr-points), which supports team-flying and which shows the fun of a pilot in playing warbirds. maybe also the experience, but not necessarily the skills. Don't know, what can be added to the formula in this sense? Im not usually at all in montrs score list since I clear my scores after every death. So I don't have fun flying? Sorry your assumption is wrong. Anyway...i dont like to fly latest planes (for immersions sake) so that doesnt really matter. Im all for anything to get more realistic planesets in air. Even if its decided by score. Still I dont understand your view since streak is easier and faster to get than high scores. But thats ok.
I played WB since german warbirds 2.01 betatest. That was real fun the first month none was crying about überplanes , we were not able to close a mainfield with 10 B17 cause we didnt hit good enough. Pilots got better more and more squads were buildet. Many good teamattacks and teamplay but then things go down. Some guys wanted more and more realism but the old WB 2.01 was not able to do that ,other only fly for streak, squads only fly for their own, more and more jaboattacks, no organized buffraids with escort , old pilots left the server , crying about cheaters started and so on. Most things that happens on the old german wb-server is now starting here. Realism is not everything what we need is fun ,teamplay and a game (simulation) that is good for most players. Many players do what they want and only with settings which they restrict will help. I am not against realism but if we change some things it must help to get back teamplay and must be against cheater.
Re: no streak limitation Hi Ledada, >some excellent pilots don't care of streaks, and some less-skilled do. Excellent pilots should do well in average planes, especially when the opposition mostly has average planes as well. If you don't care about streaks, why care about flying the latest Überplane? >streak-flying is different than team-flying, dogfighting or field attacking. If you're doing air-to-ground missions, you pick your plane by different criteria anyway. >furthermore i don't feel comfortable when i think, that (assuming) "better" pilots will get "better" planes. We're talking about streak lengths of 1, 2, and for extreme cases 3. (Me 262 may have 5 just so we don't get flamed >[...] but not necessarily the skills. It's not skills, it's success that's rewarded. Have a good mission or two, and you'll get a good plane. If it was luck and not skill, enjoy it anyway Regards, Henning (HoHun)
Hi Taurec, >No teamfly cause everyone is looking at his streak to get better planes. I've to say that the main reason for teamwork in the arena for me is to stay alive It's much easier if you fly with a wingman or with a squadron than if you're alone. Looking at one's streak actually encourages teamwork! >Everyone is looking around to get easy targets and only help other players if his own streak is not in danger. I love to help other players who are in danger because I often get good kill opportunities that way. Shooting an enemy from a friend's six gives me a kill, and if the enemy sees me too early and breaks away - what the hell, I've just cleared a friend's six anyway! Regards, Henning (HoHun)
Hi Taurec, >[...] more and more jaboattacks, no organized buffraids with escort [...] That's because Jabos are more effective than bombers, and the players learned that from experience. I should be changed, but that's not the topic of this thread. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
on alternatives to streak: >what about a flight-time dependent availability of planes? for example flight-time/sortie? .fly (now otr) afk (go eat dinner, sleep, whatever) .e (now twr with 5 hours per sortie) >structure kills man with 1250 sorties (yes, tigrao already did it in one ToD ) killed 500 structures, while man of 10 sorties killed 50 structures. why does 1st get the better plane? >structure kills/sortie anything "per sortie" becomes an impossible task once advanced in the ToD for those who dont enjoy clearing scores. lets assume you need 2 structures/sortie for 262. man with 200 sorties and 0 structure kills needs to score 400 kills to fly 262. man with 0 sorties only 2. makes no sense.. why give better plane for the pilot who just arrived? >kill/sortie see above ** i only see streaks as solution. either as kill streaks, or structure-kill streaks. the second would give an alternative to those who dont enjoy/arent able to get reasonable kill streaks. tho it would require a change in scores system.
teamplay....i think about july 1942, 190 is available, nice low-level-jabo-attacks, need 10x 190, but only 2 pilots get one...does this force teamplay? jabos arent more effective than buffs, imho. they are faster, yes. remember, what 10x B17 had done with small wbmed2 in german-wb. the pilots learned and the better they got, the unpatient the got. climbing 30min in B17....uuuhh...going furballing. yepp, very sad to watch this here again... according to the posts of ledada and taurec: i am against that the situation, i am watching on fh-wb since about the last 5 month, remind me an old german fairytale: buttje, buttje in de see, mine fru die ilsebill, will nit so als ick wohl will... i forgot the title, but its about a fisherman, which catched a miracle-fish and as reward for let him be free and alive, the fish promissed one whish to the fisherman. he told his wife about that and his wife wanted to be a queen. she was one. after some days, she was tired and ordered her husband to ask the fish, if she might be an empress. she was one.....at least, she wanted to be god....and the end of the fairytale: she was simple wife of a fisherman again.
Originally posted by thomba teamplay....i think about july 1942, 190 is available, nice low-level-jabo-attacks, need 10x 190, but only 2 pilots get one...does this force teamplay? Think about 1943, 190a4 would be free by then. For 1942 you would need 190a2 for big numbers. You cant all have best planes from scratch. Until 190 people will attack with 110s as they did before. Or should we all be flying Me262 in Jan 1940? jabos arent more effective than buffs, imho. they are faster, yes. remember, what 10x B17 had done with small wbmed2 in german-wb. the pilots learned and the better they got, the unpatient the got. climbing 30min in B17....uuuhh...going furballing. Well what more to say if people dont like flying. yepp, very sad to watch this here again... the situation, i am watching on fh-wb since about the last 5 month, remind me an old german fairytale Did german FH experiment with this system? I would be happy to hear about that.
Hi Thomba, >teamplay....i think about july 1942, 190 is available, nice low-level-jabo-attacks, need 10x 190, but only 2 pilots get one...does this force teamplay? "Need 10x 190"? What you need are ten Jabos and the pilots with the determination to fly them. The Me 109 can carry bombs, too, and the Me 110 can actually carry more than the Fw 190. >jabos arent more effective than buffs, imho. they are faster, yes. As I said, this is not on topic in this thread. However, we can open a new one for it if you like. Regards, Henning (HoHun)
@illo, hohun: cc, its just the date: very fast rox are available...i cant wait to get them....and streakers or what ever have to renounce (190 with 110, i made such raids, cc, but 190 always had to wait for the 110C4....not the G2). i can imagine, that 190-pilots wont be as patient to wait for them.....maybe expierienced leaders as fla, nicaee, or lucull will. nope they dont...they werent allowed to do in order of copyrights, contracts, whatever. but thats the point: the more is possible, the more players want (like the fishermans wife). instead of implementing new planes, gunnery-models, etc. (a little bit had been changed in german-wb...), we had frequently scenarios, great ones.....cc, fh-wb is just a game (i love it), but in a such huge community you werent able to realize all wishes.....be satisfied on which you have....all for free!!!! what had erich hartmann would been said, when his squad-pilot karl munz would had recommended: erich, pls, the otto-settings of B17 are ridicuolous? i think he would have said: practice, boy, practice. cc, i am drifting into rl, its just a game, a funny one, an amazing one. and i dont wanna change the rules of a game in order to get a better score. the try to compariing it on rl life are imho ridicuolous. all posts about otto-settings, "schwalbe", gunnery are selfmade probs, cause fh-wb gives the oportunity to realize them....it is just to fit a game to the personal wishes of each players.....and there a lot players inside.... have you ever tryied to make a suit, that fits all different (fat, slim, huge, small) people? @ hohun: remember, what this kind of demands took effect to some pilots in german-wb-forum?
No Illo, not at all. Actually, german WB didn´t experiment with anything. If something was its death, then that. But actually the only reason were economical problems in keeping the server up for free, and as iEN was asked if a newer (not even the latest as a must!) version might be run on german WB for a small fee, the answer was no. Finally german WB was closed. What the guys here are referring to is the point that more and more ppl were asking for different changes to improve realism ingame, as wb2.01 was far from realistic. The gunnery modell was fucked up anyway, but also settings which could have been altered were not. There were discussions about the ack settings, the otto settings, the lethality, the rb times, RPS was also always a major point of discussion etc etc. But that was not the beginning of the end in any way. And it also wasn´t a bad thing to happen. The bad thing actually was that the staff had no further interest at all in changing things and experimenting. Just the same old stuff day after day, and finally they would even take quite inapropriate measures to end the discussion. Poor show afterall, and it would be wrong to say now that was caused by the players. Players wanted to improve, and where´s no freedom in speech there will be no progress and therefore no future. Of course now it´s easy to blame others and declare them guilty for bad mood if you prefer sitting in the corner like a pussy cat enjoying the sun because that´s just fine for you. heartc
Hi, heartc. Thanks for info. Ready for AH mission arena? Ill be there as soon as i get the hardware...its too good to be true.
LOL , we have saying here: "When little boy sleeps it's like putting money in the bank" I can almost hear this.... Illo: MOMMMMAAAA i want to play!!! Mom: If you dont go to sleep you can't fly Messerscmitt Me262a-1a...now be a good boy and go to sleep. Illo: really? Momma: Yes, naughty boys don't get to fly jets. Illo: Oh..you mean what uncle gahris said about aircraft restrictions? Momma: Yes...thats right, now leave your 190 otr f9 and go to bed. Illo: Ok, momma. Goodnight. Momma: Good boy.
