Are new 20mm too powerfull

Imo yes. Now is too big difference between old and new settings. Lethality was increased for 0.30 (from 1.00 to 1.30) now 2x20mm and wing off etc. I saw there was a poll in MA for increasing lethality i thing it is better if we have poll and discussion here in forum then in MA. Maybe increas of 0.05 or 0.10 for 20mm wil be better then this one, or max 0.15 we can try and make up ours mind which change is the best.

 

New 20mm settings are rather good.
2x20mm for ripping wing off is more realistic then 10x20 for the same action.

 

Since 20 mm was already overpowered to begin with (at least the Hispanos), further increasing its lethality was a remarkably bad move. I'm getting lots of PK's or fireballs from only one or two 20 mm Hispano hits lately.

IMO what should have happened is this:

- Hispano lethality slightly deceased
- German 20 mm in 109 / 190 made more powerful
- 30 mm toned down somewhat and made harder to aim with
- .50 cal toned down somewhat at very large distances (>=D6 or so)

 

Bullshit, I landed x-times with 5-15x20 in my P47C in last few days

 

If those 20mm rounds had been fired by a Hispano armed plane, I doubt your P-47 would have survived even 5 hits. Well, not x times anyway.

 

You forgot that I am cheater

 

I didn't know you were Polish!!??


okay okay, j/k

 

We deal in licenses

 

Well, close enough I guess

Besides 5x20 randomly spread ain't all that many... P-47 should be tougher than that.

 

Just make one gold fighter invisible like beaufighter. Red side 20mm are just fine.

 

Yes 20mm should be changed back to previous setting, it's too strong now. Also 30mm is still too strong, original IEN 30mm strength is correct (I mean by this the 30mm guns when I play offline practice in IEN, not offline practice in FH). FH 30mm is ridiculous, same as 50mm.

 

As someone who flies for both sides, I have to agree with this. Hispanos, which already were very powerful, seem more like rapid fire 30mms with the new settings. Almost any one hit to any part of the plane (except maybe fuselage) will cripple the opponent beyond any possibility for victory. This doesn't necessarily mean a wing off, but enough over G that anything except running will result in a wing off. The 20mm SHVAK guns also seem quite strong requiring only a snapshot to kill on LAs. I was able to comfortably obtain in a yak-3 sortie, 5 kills and another crippled beyond combat, requiring only half-second deflection shots to kill. 30mm strength I have no comments about, but it seems for 109s it is very hard to hit, while for 110s, it is too easy to spray and pray since only one hit will result in a kill. Maybe 30mm should be one hit overG but not wing off, but a few additional hits of anything else will cause wing off. It would be nice to see 25mm on hmacks toned down though. One hit always seems to result in death (complete wing off with no prior damage last time I recall), when it should be more something that will cripple an enemy enough to force them to rtb, especially since the goal is to protect a base, not kill everything in a d12 radius.

 

You're full of bleach. I'll believe it when I see it.....oh, that does mean a video does x = 0 btw?

 

Were ALL 20mm guns modified?

if not, what 20mm guns were?

Were the 25mm acks included?

 

Yep, HMACK is just way too lethal to achieve those 1 ping instant deaths from great distances.

I've been victim to it too many times.

 

Yes all are change including 25mm acks, lethality from 1.00 to 1.30

http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23459

This thread talk about 12mm vs 20mm but there was a lot of data for all kind of guns and cannons. Some data are from books, why not use them?

 

7mm is imho bigger problem than 20mm

 

Doesn't matter which one is bigger problem if we all agree about which walue is right. If we can't agree there is a lot of books where we can find them and calculate averige value ( if value aren't same in source datas ). That is the simplest possible solution.

 

Well it's all relative. a 20mm should result in more damage at shorter ranges compared to a .50 cal.

A 20mm should have much less range than a .50cal.

I don't know what the problem is with the 7mm guns.

Perhaps we can ask Fatale to tell us?