for history guys, like ho-hun, exec, illo

here is an army list that i made, but i don't know enouph history to buy the miniatures, Ive provided % that I could use, If im missing an important element, or my % are of, please correct for me, i know this is alot of work, but better idea to know what im buying before I buy 200 tanks

 

If you want best possible force Use Panther D instead of PzKpfw IVh in company. TOE is exactly same.

If you insist to have mixed force.
Take Tigers and PzKpfw IVh.


Panzers (listed as companies):

Something like this....
2 Tigers+1 PzKpfw IVh as command unit
4 Tigers
4 PzKpfw IVh
4 PzKpfw IVh

-if you want battalion take 1 company of Tigers and 2 companies of PzKw IVh + Stab Kompanie aka HQ unit with 3 Tigers and 4 PzKw IVh as Stab recon)

or

2 Tigers+ 1PzKpfw IIIn as command unit
2Tigers+2 PzKpfw IIIn
2Tigers+2PzKpfw IIIn
2Tigers+2PzKpfw IIIn

-if you want battalion all companies will be this mixed type. Stab Kompanie will have Panzer IIIs as recon platoon and 3 Tigers in command

or

2 Panthers
4 Panthers
4 Panthers
4 Panthers

-if you want battalion all you will have 3 companies of Panthers+ Stab Kompanie possibly some Armored cars as recon platoon. 4 Panthers in command platoon. IIRC.

-Note that in all above formations you can remove atleast 1 platoon from each(or some) of companies if you want to simulate more realistic force. (basically all Battalions were understreght RL)

Germany basically didnt have independent light tanks outside recon Companies IIRC. So i think you should use platoon of some Armored cars instead. Quite usually recon was done by 4-5 PzKpfw IVs or IIIs of Stab Kompanie. Also armored cars were used...this should be case in Panther battalions. For example Stab recon platoon of Pumas or SdKfz 222s.


AA section:

2-4xSdKfz 7/(insert model here)

or

2x88mm Flak (+transports)+ 4x20/37mm Flak (+transports)


Artillery:

4x75mm PaK 40 (+transports) or 4xMarders.

2xSiG 15cm (+transports) or 2xselfpropelled 150mm guns.

4xHowitzers or 8xNebelwerfers (+transports) or maybe 4xWespes.


and ofcourse you cant fight without supporting Panzergrenadiers. (all platoons should have atleast truck or Sdkfz 251)


There maybe be some errors, but TOE is about right.

You could have posted this privat ofcourse...no much to do with betatest.

 

i like this, nice and balanced

2 Tigers+1 PzKpfw IVh as command unit
4 Tigers
4 PzKpfw IVh
4 PzKpfw IVh
4PzKpfw IIIn ((recon))
2 88mm ((AAA))
4 20/37mm Flak
4 SiG 15cm
4 88mm ((anti-tank))
2 ju87g
1 109g
1 110g
maybe a ju88 or fw190

of course intantry are in there with a few stug's


I posted here because of illo, ho-hun and exec information, and didnt need spaceb or other's non-sence

What about the russian and american options for the above??

 

i ain't an army pro, so avia only opinion:

il-2 VYa, UBT, AM-38F 40%
la-5fn 20%
yak-9 20%
il-4 prod. 1942 10%
pe-2 series 110 10%
=100%

 

have russain airforce VS german army, maybe buy 30 il2m

 

Russian Army... :S I'm not completely sure, but it was a mockup of much units AFAIR, something like much T 34, some SU100 SU80 and then some KV-I, I think I could find out tho... but I don't think I'm going to do that...

btw, will this have influence on the next beta release?

greetze, Zembla

 

cc this is completly off beta-topic.
especially considering that there is other thread in international forum about the same thing.

i will move this soon to stop flood for developers.
in the meantime you can decide where you want to see the thread. history? international? offtopic?
i can even merge this thread with the other one.

 

move to historical section of forums if possible, other wise delete topic

 

4x88mm AT and 4xSiG 150 would be non existant IRL. Use 75mm Pak 40 and 75mm LeIG.
Unit supported by 2x88mm FlaK 18s (also working as AT weapon) wouldnt be given any more super-AT guns. Same with SiG 150. Even 2 would be many.

I also suggest 5xPzKpfw IVhs instead of PzKpfw IIIn as recon...better tank with better gun and fits your unit much better. Or maybe 6xSdKfz-222s.

Get some Nebelwerfers (rocket artillery)

 

I posted you an example how this company would attack.


Panzers:

Formation is kind of "T" letter with 2 platoons of PzKpfw IVhs forming horizontal and 1 platoon of Tigers forming vertical line. Ofcourse tanks would move regarding to terrain. (for example to break cover simultaneously.)
HQ unit is at overwatch position behind spearhead.


Recon:
Advances at front and flanks until contact then withdraws.


FlaK:
Is deployed to rear.
Preferably to overwatch position to give direct fire support for Panzers.


PaK and IG:
IGs are following spearhead to clear any infantry dug-in positions, houses etc. that stand in attacks way.
Paks are protecting right flank in this case. Deployed in pair.

 

SdKfz 234/2 Puma in forward recon.

 

Tigers

 

Transports behind.

 

Platoon of PzKpfw IVh advancing.

 

you practically built my army i thank thee, now, what would balance that force in russian ??

 

here is a scale drawing of my battle field done really crappy ((actully battle field is 4'x4'))


legend
blue = rivers and lakes
black = hard surface roads, cobble stone
orange = dirt paths, gravel roads
cyan = built up area, houses, buildings
brown = dirt cover on ground
red = trees, and forest area's
light green = hills, and contour lines
yellow = farms, farm buildings
purple = rocky terrain
dark green = tiny dots all over means brush cover


kinda looks funny, but bear with me , would this terrain be good for a battle? or any changes needed??

 

whats a better mover for artillary and AT guns?
G101 Sdkfz 7
G100 Sdkfz 11
G099 Sdkfz 10

 

and whats difference between
PANZERFAUST
PANZERSCHRECK

 

I dont know...imho it looks just fine.
map should resemble about 3x3km(or why not bigger) area or so to have enough space to maneuver.

I dont know too much about soviet TOEs.


To fight that force in 1943 I would like to have atleast:

1-2 companies of t-34/76
1-2 platoons of SU-152s

Some AA

lots of infantry.
many many 57 and 76mm AT guns.

How would these work:

I would like to use t-34s for fast platoon sized flank attacks with good terrain cover (woods, depressions etc.)...firing at medium tanks and then trying to back off to cover before getting shot. Much like slowly wearing german attack down by fast strikes from multiple directions. I would not make any stands but withraw back to new position before committing another attacks

Su152s I would use for ambush role in full platoon size. (all with same line of sight). Sneaking for Tigers.. staying unnoticed as long as possible.(not firing scouts or mediums unless i was spotted) o compensate their poor reload times. Very much like in defense.

Same as above with AT-guns only now deployed in pairs. PaK front style...spread on quite large area with interlocking fields of fire ambushing mediums and scouts. And pounding Tigers from side if any means possible.

hmmm...
t-34s would have some infantry riding on them to do recon before breaking cover. Armored cars would be no good since they would give in my position.
t-34s would avoid full toe to toe combat and fight only delaying fight to 1. buy time for transporting PaKs and SU-152s in ambush positions.
2. destroy some mediums
3. most should stay alive to withraw behind "PaK front" to be used as reserve for counter attack (outflanking depleted german forces later to get into their rear)

Yeah those forces would be enough for me.

 

You cant find better information anywhere. Must check this...
http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust.htm

Pzschreck is AT hollow charge rocket launcher (much like US bazooka but better) with about 200m max range. Its quite big and heavy compared to Pzfaust, reloadable. Used usually by specialiced AT teams of 2 men.

Pzfaust is small compact (use then throw it away) launcher. (Rambo has its post war soviet version in his armpit ) Max range is about 30-90m depending on variant. This weapon was light enough to be spread among normal infantry to protect them from tanks.

Both could destroy any ww2 tank if they hit.