hey Boroda

Discussion in 'Warbirds General Discussion' started by ramzey, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. ramzey

    ramzey Well-Known Member

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    hi guys, Pavel

    i have small fight on one of BB's about recruitment to VVS during ww2
    guy is claiming NKWD force young mans to join vvs bby pulling gun to their head
    i belive its not true
    so , im asking for more info about VVS recrouitment methods and requirements
    to prove its not true (it can be russian text). I have found nothing on english pages except virtual squadrons

    thx for help

    regards

    ramzey
     
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    ramzey Well-Known Member

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    thats mean he is right? come on!
     
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    same way NKVD force people to eat, sleep, etc
     
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    Этого достаточно? :)
     
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    Паш в вопросе речь идет о ВВС

    Я так понимаю если в ополчение "могли" погнать какого нить очкарика библиотекаря, то то в ВВС нужны были люди другого рода
     
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    Don?t you know that?s not the worst of it? Not all the time but during Stalingrad battle (remember Vasily Zatseff?). Those imbecilic commi bustards from NKVD, would throw our pilots into the battle almost barehanded. They simply gave one airplane to three/five pilots and made em fight Germans. So the rest of the pilots had to follow the airbattle on foot and wait for a pilot to get killed and an airplane to fall down. When such a thing would happen, the one who reached the crash site first, had to take off immediately and continue the battle for Mazer Russha or else!
     
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    Каш ВТГ, ржунимагу :)
     
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    thx -u-p-
    but thats saying about main mobilisation, im looking for specyfic data for VVS

    -kash- funny
     
  11. Boroda

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    Becoming a pilot was a dream for millions of young men. Many restrictions applied, mostly for health. You had to be 110% healthy to become a pilot.

    Every flight instructor from flight schools made requests to send him to frontline. Dozens of requests. And they were sincere. Like Kozhedub, who was a flight-instructor in 1940-43 and only in 1943 he was sent to combat troops.

    Ramzey, USSR was a normal country with normal people. Some things were different, but it wasn't an inhuman destructive suppression machine like we are portrayed in modern "popular history for dummies". 3/4 of Russians miss Soviet times now, and not only because they were younger then...
     
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    Pavel,
    i know this, but som jareheads think behinde every russian soldier in ww2 was 2 NKWD soldiers who push them to fight and give vodka for encurage.

    thats why im looking for data to finish this myth
     
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    I think its impossible to cure this.

    But thanks anyway.
     
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    Vodka was a must in infantry before any offensive -- 100 g. That just helped people to stand up and jump out of the trenches. The rest was just an art of survival -- as in all armies. In VVS as far as I know there were no problems with volunteers: VVS was the elite :) Even now point me an idiot, that will not want to join the elite, whatever kind of it.
     
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    чо вы мучаетесь? расскажите как НКВД чтоб заставить летать отрезал одному человеку ноги...
     
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    May be idiot with acrophobia :rolleyes:
     
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    lol
     
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    Мой тесть рассказывал, под сталинградом перед атакой вместо положенных 100г до них дошло лишь 10-20г. Остальное офицеры, суки, выпили. О, как! :(
     
  19. Boroda

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    Покрышкин писал что он с 42 года вообще не употреблял. Просто понял как это влияет на реакцию и прочее. Хотя в небоевой обстановке в трезвости замечен не был.

    В ВВС, насколько я помню, спиртное входило в ежедневное довольствие. Как и папиросы вместо махорки и шоколад как источник кофеина.
     
  20. Boroda

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    In Russian Imperial Navy every sailor got a "charka" (IIRC 150ml) of vodka, rum or other drink with 40% ABV daily, in the evening. There was a special position, баталёр, for a sailor who poured this drinks on battleships. Read "Tsushima" by Novikov-Priboy.

    AFAIK even now all hands at our submarines still get 200ml of red wine daily. At least at nuclear subs they have Moldavian Cabernet because it helps to remove radioactive substances from human body.

    Many people who served in infantry and survuved, those I know, said they didn't drink before a bayonet attack. They said they gave their "narkom" 100grams to their mates... Unlike our sour life - sober people usually survived.