Don't get me wrong. I don't approve cheating, I don't think *it was cool they were cheating* and I would vote for termination of squad of a fellow squadmate who was found to be cheating. My point is: these two guy will be examples of how bad and almighty the admin/developers can be. Good. But will we still see Li2's with Me262 engines, Spitfires with transparent cockpits, and be shot down by unskilled pilots using such things? That's my point. I don't want these guys to be the only ones to be banned. Because if that's the case, I'd rather set them free. Because that's not justice if some can cheat with no problem and others get banned. That's what I'm complaining about. And this includes spawning at 4km by using admin powers. Because, IMHO, that's cheating.
Re: Re: New version of server. I would vote for banning of whole squad that knows of a cheater, supports him (or them) and broadcast the flaw inside his friends/squadron circle so "everyone can enjoy".
Again, people that checked hmack bug for curiosity won't be banned. But people that spoil the game via systematical bug exploits are persona non grata. If some of us have no shame in the time between bug discover and bug fix, admins could consider covering this gap with banning. _________________________ delirium, sorry. _________________________ Q: "When <feature> will be in game?" A: "ASAP" that's an universal answer here, because developers have affairs IRL. but when the question is posted every week by poster-not-reader dudes, some of us (and personally me) could be irritated enough to answer "RTFM". i'm very dissapointed in some players that don't respect administration.
ok... need proof, right? will try to get a trak. or a score picture, ok? sorry, but, "ASAP" wasnt first answer for my question. you can check it.
then it looks like you asked the question was answered just before. what is your question? give that proof here.
back to the pass... but... was about bomb salvo. answer wasnt a "Asap". it was more like a "shut up". who gaves hmack-bug proof?
1. so, you are trying to accuse me in roughness to you? ok, here we go: 25/01/2003 http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11725&highlight=salvo Snakeye quotes RGreat that salvo is not operative 30/01/2003 http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11866&highlight=salvo the answer was that it's intrinsic feature of bomb dispersion. you were forwarded to http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11717 for explanation from the very source = RGreat. 30/01/2003 http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11898&highlight=salvo you started the poll salvo vs deviation and majority of those who bothered to take part in the poll voted for bomb dispersion. 04/02/2003 http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11971&highlight=salvo you raised the question again, when you already was told it's almost impossible. i said that i can undertake some attempts for solution, but i have no quite spare time for that. you started irritating me popping up the same question almost every week. and in current thread you announce that you were shut up (by me?). i see my that conscience is clear. i haven't shut you up for the first answer, and you were not shut up before me. ___________________ 2. "who gaves hmack-bug proof?" that one who noticed such abuse. ___________________ actually i see this discussion with you is useless.
ahhh.... finaly pice of mind in FH. I lost my voice yeling about all bombad's tricks with hmack and HO unreal abilities and finaly justice is here. rgreat WTG man. sorry bombad you deserved that. ps. those two and some more in arena were reason why bullet and me erased our wb and fhlaunchers from our hard drives. Lets hope this comunity will clean up some more of cheaters and make this free and wonderful game finaly enjoyable && playable place. <s>
why couldn't I do this? did you noticed that: " : ) " ? that "stop bothering us." sounded "... more like a "shut up". for me. same guy that gaves you: for example: 12:59:58 -HOST-(Host): Kill of Human Ack BOMBAD by -jaya- 13:00:37 -HOST-(Host): Kill of Human Ack BOMBAD by crazyc ... 13:08:45 -HOST-(Host): Kill of Human Ack BOMBAD by -exit- 13:10:24 -HOST-(Host): Kill of Human Ack BOMBAD by crazyс ask him for a real cheat proof. the end for me... but first: sorry if you are "dissapointed" with me... but... the answer for "bomb salvo" question made me angry with administration, shame it had to be in the week I was complimenting fh team for their nice work. better dont aks nothing?... or never post on fh forum?... sice that day (bomb salvo question) i wanst there again. well, maybe a last question: what do you think about it: http://scores.wbfree.net/cgi-bin/wbstat.cgi?showlist=0&type=s&istop=on&tod=020123 1200003415929 points in 5 sorties ... thats strange for me. well... sorry for questioning. i dont wait a answer. see you.
ha. in this particular message you decided to bring some concrete matter. okay. i quote myself: as you may see, not only cheaters, but all hard abusers are subjects to be discussed about punishment. ______________________________________ here's my e-mail answer to you Salut Pingwyn! Monday, April 28, 2003, 11:08:42, Pingwyn wrote: P> sorry if you are "dissapointed" with me... but... the answer for P> "bomb salvo" question made me angry with administration, shame it P> had to be in the week I was complimenting fh team for their nice P> work. P> better dont aks nothing?... or never post on fh forum?... sice that P> day (bomb salvo question) i wanst there again. read before posting, that's a basic tactics. you may even use forum search engine to know out discussion on the question you are going to post. and if the search don't satisfy you, you can post the question with your soul calm, and you won't be sent 'rtfm'. i have some ideas how we can resolve lost salvo feature. actually my thoughts are not salvo, but queue, like machine-gun. but i have ammo-counter problems when turning salvo on. it may cause _all_ bomber cockpits rebuilding. so i'm going on with situation analysis. P> well, maybe a last question: what do you think about it: P> http://scores.wbfree.net/cgi-bin/wbstat.cgi?showlist=0&type=s&istop=on&tod=020123 P> 1200003415929 points in 5 sorties ... thats strange for me. when i make new nick, it's filled with random data. i rarely make new nicks (2/year), but i noticed this feature already. if i don't fly with it, it will reach scorepages in 3-4 hours. anyways, i sent a letter to dev-list to clarify wether i'm right. P> well... sorry for questioning. put your sarcasm aside. P> see you. ______________________________________ Luck Yedyge aka exec[228] aka Killer Crayon mailto: exec(at)wbfree(dot)net P.S. <void>
@Illo: Well,for me THIS sounds hypocritical.Iґm enough sincere to recognize that I made a mistake (moan if you didnґt understand where I wanted to go).An advise: plz be less arrogant when showing your opinion, that probably will be unique for its way rare and limited of thinking.In fact, the conclusion that we got is that the hypocrisy became common place, since admins doesnґt punish the real cheaters,catching mere occasion victims, proving its enormous incompetence and arbitrarity.I hope that something of good appears from this discussion (for more incredible than it could seems ). ______________________ Capitгo =FN=V.Mikulin,wb:vlamik - CO Ala WB-FN 27°EVC Falcхes da Noite-Brasil - www.27evc.hpg.com.br
Re: Re: New version of server. Hey buddy you and bullet were reason why 6 members of JG13 erased theyr wb and fhlaunchers from theyr hard. I can't understand why peaple have to wine for drink and bombad ban, till yesterday all was calling for public cheaters punishment. Bug abuse is a cheat too. I know there was some ppl who did incredible things, maybe was cheat maybe was not, i know some who was cheating and i just ignore them if i know they are online i ask where they are, then i take off in the opposite side of map. About admins privilege of "do exactly what they want", hey! they have the right to do exactly what they want! Nobody asked us to play here and admins aren't forced to keep FH up, they do it for theyr own pleasure. I got also killed in He177 by gungun, i had to take off from F16 and after 40 min of flight i got a spit who appeared my 12 over F25 and it was gungun. Now i don't know if gungun is a owner of FH or if he help his uploads/upgrades, maybe he's only an admin friend who had the admins right. It is known gungun has admin rights and he do what he want with them, it's public and it's ok to me. The only thing i can't undertsand is why 1 year ago, when me and some others of JG13 got flammed as cheater admins didn's told me if it was true. Send me logs so i could ask to teh direct interested why they had to do it, and if the case demanded it I would have been the first one to publish it asking theirs ban from FH. It would have been a sort of respect for others, but as i can see and as i can feel in arena now, only few, very few peaple deserve respect.
here is repply? do you warn me????when? where the rgreat to enjoy myself!!! i woudn't do it if rgreat told me not to do it for me he's coordinator if i didnt get a acknowledgment by him so i wasnґt informed only for pilots papito as translated thx for help, and sry my english!
hoo thx for move... one friend as tested BUG on jeep last fixies and no fixed fron.. eject, last press fast .hmack on alias ("autoexe") only on CV and enemy country... and wtg im no logging using other nick, only on TA or on other PC )) On FHL Bug is = a CHEAter!!! plz this you gane have many cheats fixed!!! sry my english, bcause this im muted about this!
@bombad, come on 1. u use old knowed bug who was counted as cheat since 2 years 2.U know what u do 3.Your cheater behavior was proof 4. Be men and take your punishment like men , not crying kid 5. your current behavior not show even pice of humility and apollogy. U do wrong, no doubts. 6.Stop cry like childe ramzey
Might as well add my 2 cents worth.... I agree with most people who have posted, bug abuse certainly is cheating. I also agree that those caught using it should be banned. However, like some have already mentioned, there are already known cheats in the Arena (admins with 4km airstarts). People will be confused as to where the line is drawn as to who is allowed to cheat and who is not, especially when there is a situation in the Arena of the person who makes the decisions about who is abusing bugs being squadmates of people who have been suspected of using the very same bugs that have banned bombad. I support admin's decision tho. But they will deserve real credit if they display some consistency in their decisions in the days and weeks ahead, otherwise some people might be disillusioned by their decision (not me specifically, since I know that all in AFVS simply wouldnt abuse bugs so any inconsistency wont affect us). Bear in mind admin's comments from early in the thread also. If the squads affected give surety to the conduct of the pilot involved and he is not caught cheating/bug abusing, there is a possibility they will remove the ban. Accept this decision for what it is.....a serious message to the cheats in the Arena that your days are numbered! For this, and the CV changes, a big wtg to admins -glas-
Nice post Glas. @Marcoa: Watch him fly and watch where he flies. I've fought against him on numerous occasions and IMHO he dosn't cheat. He ensures he has alt advantage, he tries to ensure numerical advantage where he's flying (8-10 he's vulching). He has excellent knowledge of ACM and E management and he's a bloody good shot (He uses the mouse, i asked him). Thats not cheating it's just being a bloody good (and careful) pilot. Respect to you thug (and boar) on your skills. Malino
