Novel Linux!!!! Part 3

Discussion in 'Off Topic International' started by hezey, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. hezey

    hezey Well-Known Member

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    I have rediscovered a flavour of linux I used to use and then started to dislike it.
    Now I have rediscovered it and like it.
    Suse
    or in this house, OpenSuse, same except there is no propriatary binaries in it.

    I have found this web app called SuseStudio. SuseStudio is same for OpenSuse too.
    It is a we page that you go to, register and then build your own OpenSuse - or if you bought Suse lscence, you could use the one come with the distro you bought.
    I bough Suse way back, many many years ago. It was not the same. It was not ready.
    Linuxes desktops haven't been ready quite often.
    Novel got Suse and they put their tallent into making their own linux distro. They are very co-operative with us Linuxers who like Open Source exclusively and us who like to pay for some stuff and use other stuff as we choose.
    Suse is ready for the PC Desktop.
    Get a prepackaged one, choose the GNome edition. Or, if you are comfortable, get the KDE4.4 flavour [hahaha - I love KDE4.4 (I sure didn't like 4)].
    Take the time, think about what you want in your Suse or OpenSuse. Choose those, all the software apps are arranged in many categories or 'groups' 'tasks' etc. SO it isn't hard to look through the plethora of sometimes confusing hordes of linux apps. Suse has organized that mess into something a lot easier to navigate.
    Make a cd, boot to it and look at the mess you made.
    Then fart around with OpenSuse or Suse and see the pretty slick work that Novel has doen for Linuxers.

    Okay, I am gonna use some time and make a screen shot cast.
    If I knew how to get sound/mike/scrypt/DJ skills I would make a webvid, but I haven't yet [ADHD] taken a tangent and spent some time learning to make films - I simply won't.

    But I can post some pics...
    Wait.

    Amazing.
    KDE4.4
    Important is compositor
    Important is Desktop settings
    Importsnt is some keystrokes like ctrl f9 10 11
    Important is to configure the 3D desktop. Important is to set it up so it doesn't confuse the newb. Important to use the SCSM, which means SImple COmpiz Session Manager - which is a DUMMED DOWN 3D eye candy applcation. So if you break your desktop organization toil you can always revert to basic. The Desktop Maganer is NOT welded to the Kernel, so you can do whatever you want with the desktop, including breaking it. ANd if you know how to think and don't panic, you can fix it all up in 0 to ten minutes and have ALL your data. Data very important, that is what the /home directory is for and why it should be in it's OWN partition and why it should always be backed up.
    Blaw blaw.
    ANyway, if you download OpenSuse and choose the right one, there are afew choices and you might bite on the wrong candy.... so read and consider you might just have downloaded the wrong thing and winded up with NO GRAPHICS, as is a common duh in the world of Linux Distroes, you know, boot up, wait for an eternity, waiting, and nothing, then you alt backspace and find out there hase been a fuckin text login sitting there.
    Linux is ready for the desktop but it PC is no more ready for Stupid User no matter what OS.

    LIVE CD ... if you use the copy2ram option at boot, you will have the who system resident in RAM. Tell the machine to not mount any partitions at startup. It will take a while, I mean a WHILE, and then, maybe, you will see, after a while, a GUI desktop. Have fun, I don't think you can hurt it without trying.

    WAIT, I should distribute MY Suse.... yeah. I can do that.....
    Mine is 3 + GB and I cannot store it online.... BUT I can store it in the SuseStudio.......
    Okay, wait.

    [Be aware, 3Dcandy is not proper in a VMachine, I hope you knew that....]
     
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  2. looseleaf

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    OK, I'm going to ask a question or two, very un-educated;


    Why do you favor this new Mormon flavour of the German Linux over the

    Kiwi version of Ubuntu ?

    Over the mini version of Puppy Linux?


    I was running a dual boot with Kiwi and Vista (32) until Vista crapped-out and I had to have a factory re-install as the dam thing is still under warranty, so.....

    "naturally" the bastards had to wipe anything non Microsoft off my hard drives without my consent...

    In memory of the great Capt, Gwuong:

    Bastards.... !!!!!
     
  3. hezey

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    I used a little creative liscence in the quoted below ;
    Why do you favor this new Muslim flavour of the Iranian Linux over the OPen version of NovaOS - based in Cuba ?

    I favour the Open Source Linux distribution called OPENsuse. Suse uses linux kernel so they can, among other things, produce and mantain a Linux Distro of their own. They release all the source code required, according to Internation Law. Contract is called GNU/GPL
    Suse has been bought and sold a few times over the years. I like the Linux Distro called OPENSUSE... it is the Open souce version of the Suse Linux that is supported by [was, it is bought by another tycoon, I guess a freaky LDS guy?]. NOBODY owns OpenSuse. It is FREE. Free as in beer and free as in lunch. Yep. All GNUed/GPLed stuff is like that.
    OpenSuse is as much owned by those LDS or whoever it is... as macdonald is owned by your mom [your mom cooks? So do Macdonalds...]
    Uh, Canonical doesn't own linux, neither do Novel. Or any commercial corporate entity, it is OPEN. It isn't just made by or sold from or sold to Nice People who you approve of. It is also used by African MUSLIMS and Chinese COMMUNISTS!!!! Oh dear!

    Canonical ain't a charity and neither is Suse [owned by 'Attachmate' co (tm)] makes money offering support for BIG machinery, you know... The Big Guys. And they make some for smaller but still very important machines, called business PC and network hardware stuff too, uh.

    I wouldn't worry about who claims ownership of Linux. Stallman and Torvalds and their hoard have locked it up good so that it BELONGS TO IT'S PUBLIC, which is you and I. Any corporate entitiy that wants to contribute can and too, they can make money. That is all in The Plan.

    Ubuntu is okay. I do not like their desktop choices so much though. GNome3 is fuckiin AWFUL!!!!!!!!! Ubiquity Desktop is AWFUL. Or is it Unity now? - awful too....
    I dunno.
    Ubuntu is pretty picky and they make it somewhat difficult for newbies to get all the hardware they have working, due to Canonical's attitude toward proprietary and Binary blobs... They are not unreasonable. That is part of their corporate culture, to keep the distributed ISOs containing only open sourced GNU/GPL/xGPL code.
    Ubuntu offers a LOT more than Debian. Debian is exclusively Open Source software code. Ubuntu is not. But is still close to faithful to open source. Debian people are fiercely commie. I don't dissagree with that either, they old nixers are techno-hippies, eh?

    KIWI sits inside NTSF or on top of or something like that. A lot of users won't be able to use that becuase they will be stuck in machines someone else administers and you cannot just stick enormous binaries into the root directory of WINDOWS...... but, as far as I recall, KIWI does that. It injects something into the Windows root dir.... I think that appears suspicious to AV and such and too, admins, eh?


    Puppy linux?
    Fire up the cd, don't bother loging in, you can't. Don't need to use root privileges to preform critical tasks as....... ROOT ACCOUNT USE IS BUILT INTO THE DESIGN. That is great power and great responsibilty. I would not give gramma a puppy, she is liable go go menu surfing and bust her PC.

    I was running a dual boot with Kiwi and Vista (32) until Vista crapped-out and I had to have a factory re-install as the dam thing is still under warranty, so.....


    After you get that all sorted out, find RIP Linux [Recovery Is Possible - Linux] or something handy and start making regular images of your hard drive using The Good Old dd command piped with some other stuff I can't remember right now....

    I have now, in three years, converted three people from windows zombies, into open minded users of PCs.
    3
    3 years ago, I had no converted anyone from zombie to half awake......

    Mom has her thumb drive bootable linux so she can surf securely.
    Guy upstairs has a writable thumb drive liunux he brings it wil him in his pocket.... 48bit secure...
    Littl mike, he is 17... 18 now? I dunno, maybe 14 ... 15...
    He cannot get the PC his dad bought him to do anything but zombie.
    So he waits.
    When his dad is not home, he uses his boot stick and looks at all the porn he wants and his mom and dad know nothing.
    Fuckin compac...
     
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  4. hezey

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    LL: Use ubuntu if it is working okay. I suggest you use a LTS release....... I think one is called 10.04 [Lucid Linux] It is alright and KDE will install and it seems to not host two warring desktops. I have seen warring desktops before, you know, where one DE overwrites some little thing and then you have a fucked up deskop env....
    KDE4 installs fine and words fine and the Gnome that is stock will live along as a good neighbour.
    Canonical has some tallent and so do it's community....
    ...
    ..
    .
    oh and... uh.....
    KUBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I am right now, compiling the linux kernel 3.03 [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] from source. Zen support too!!!!!!!!
    I made latency very very low, as low as the 'make configure' app would let me.
    No need for fuckin BFS and BFQ. Which is good.
    I can hardly wait to see how things pan out once I inject the kernel into the present host and update it....
    This is a significant jump from kernel 2.7x to 3.03, debian, slackware devs etc do not see it, do not acknowledge, do not think it is there....
    I guess this must be an unstable kernel....
    hehe.

    UPDATE.
    Looks good so far.
    Big speed improvement.
    Stability? I dunno. We will see.
    If I wanted stability I would use a stock kernel, and it would be fuckin BSD or somethin...
     
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    Well, it seems the Linux 2.x has been around for so long, Linus decided there was not gonna be a progression through subversions any more once he consider 2 mature., as he figured that by kernel 2.6 that Linux kernel was now mature. He figured it was time for a version 3.
    Seems okay. I like the intel video in-kernel, Intel semi-co-operates with the Linux world. The GMA stuff at least, hehe. And I have a lower latency cpu scheduler, it is the BFS... [means Big Fuckin cpu Scheduler]
     
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    Well well well.
    It has been a LONG time since I had to rearrange IRQs.
    Fuck.
    The OS looks grand, but I have no fucking time for shared IRQ and little memory or desire needed to solve that shit.
    I know it is possible and I know I could do it, but I got NO time for that crap. This PC has been locking up evry day or so... . I am weary of this bullshit in any modern Linux. I re format root part and go at er again, costs no money.

    HOW MANY IRQs are there?
    Since 1980 I have had headaches about that adresssing bullshit.
    I guess PC architecture cannot handle it... or is it OS?
    Nah, it has to be hardware limitations. PLenty people have IRQ16 turn into a cunt and lock their PCS up.

    I am only glad that I know for sure how to remedy this:
    1 Insert Installation CD of another linux, there are hundreds.
    Format the root partiton
    INSTALL UBUNTU 11.10 [or something, but not the novel one. Sorry whoever that guy was I said should try the fuckin OpenSUSE.
    You have IRQ16 too.....
    This cocksucker is sharing IDE and SATA IRQ. FUCK. I got no time for 1980 problems.
     
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  8. looseleaf

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    Sounds like the good old DOS days.... and those first CD rom drives. Every SOB company had their own version of driver and config. and memory buffer capacity and to top it all off, proprietary cables and I/O card just for the F**kin CD rom drive.

    Anyway some company came along with one of those super I/O controller cards on the 16 bit bus and would do all that work for you once you set all the jumpers right... ha ha ha... later they came FULL AUTO configuring.
    Remember when there were three kinds of parallel cards? Fifo Uarts?
    MFTor MTM or MFM hard drives before ATA/Scci and those giant military hard drive boxes that took a $500 driver card ?

    The good old days... ever see the "Librascope" one of the world's first hard drives. two or three one meter diameter disc in a giant box with 36 or so fixed position read and write heads spun by twin 5 hp electric motors !!!!

    It was used in Navy battle ships to replace the mechanical computational device for firing formulas so to use the big guns faster and more accurately, what were they thinking... High tech solutions for low tech war.... later there wre drum memories for instant replay when the sports people wanted to see the live video coverage repeat that last play...

    What were some of the strongest drivers for high tech R+D ?

    War and Sports, folks...
     
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    I have three PCs. Two of them work relaibly, the other is THIS ONE.
    I guess I gotta remove the Sound Blaster 8 bit Controller card.... or perhaps :fly2:
    I don't like being addicted.
    Adicted makes a guy behave like a.....
    addict.....

    Maybe I get a bottle of beer, because I am gonna have a little pile of chips and DIPS here in a while.
    I already know what gets put into this, I am stick Mandriva 2011.
    Back in the day, before the company kissed Copyright Lawyer Ass, it was called Mandrake Linux.
     
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    I can't even remember the names of the 16bt i/o card company. think it could have been Adaptec, or Winbond made some nice ones....


    Yes, Mandrake was my first LInux, I remember making a Beowulf cluster with some really cheap stuff many years ago. I think we hooked 20 boxes together with bnc cables and let her rip.. it was grand...

    Yes, chips with a little salt and vinegar...washed down with a nice pale one... is better than the sillicon kind......
    :cheers: