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  1. -Shai-

    -Shai- Well-Known Member

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    всё пытаетесь промытой жабе сделать моск?
    идея обречена на провал
    мозгов там нет, делать нечего.
    как и тому румыну.
     
  2. -frog-

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    Moron:
    Poland: 45,538 (2023) 43,269 (2022)
    RuZZia: 35,310 (2023) 36,485 (2022)

    Just to compare with:
    Poland: 6100 (1990)
    RuZZia: 8800 (1990) (source: World Bank data: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=PL; https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU).

    So even if you take the purchasing power parity into consideration (which kinda reflects more the situation of individual households in the country, and not the economic standing of the country), we've made it from 69 percent of RuZZian level in 1990, to 129 percent thereof in 2023. Any further questions moron?
     
  3. -frog-

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    Just the opposite - you're the brainless zombies fed by your propaganda.
    For example: not a single person here believes that the Ukrainian summer offensive was a success, cause we have access to reliable data here.
    You're fed with propaganda shit.
    Your 3-day operation is going well, almost the 3rd year in progress though.
    You don't loose any troops, still you face imminent mogilization due to your losses in Ukraine.
    Your economy is doing fine, although it is in decline.
    You didn't loose 2k+ tanks (as confirmed by Oryx - the Ukrainians claim 5k+) in Ukraine, because you now manufacture 300 T-72 derivatives a year, and this covers your losses.
    Can't wait to see that "information bubble" burst.
    You'll be left with nothing but the shit you're in.
     
  4. rgreat

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    И этот долбоеб нам о пропаганде вещает. :)

    А у самого в тексте сплошной пиздеж, и ни слова правды.
    И это все он с восторгом хавает из западного унитаза с пропагандой.

    Хех. Поляки почти такие же тупые как хохлы.
     
  5. OldUncles

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    To be honest, I think all -- I almost said "both" -- sides are fed with propaganda.

    Both implies 2 (two), but there are many more parties and factors involved.

    One of the most important things is population/demographics. There is no way that every Ukrainian child, teenager, uncle, grandfather (and their wives) combined can mobilize to overcome Russia's population advantage.

    The US and NATO have been funding a lot of foreign fighters/mercenaries so far. But they die in large numbers so replacements are increasingly difficult to find. They speak Polish, English, Spanish, and Russian tinged with various accents. But so many of them have died in combat, there are fewer mercenaries willing to sign up. Who wants to live in a trench and get blasted by arty every day?

    The USA now is paying for nearly all of the Ukrainian government. We pay their retirement pensions, civil services, pretty much everything. Not to mention the big mansions and yachts.

    It cannot continue forever.
     
  6. looseleaf

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    Nothing does....
    This is a race to the bottom. What Putin is betting on is that Western powers will sour of a protracted war and withdraw financial support. However the West has deeper pockets than Putin.
    Putin will not win. Sooner or later the Russian People or someone in the Putin group will understand the invasion of Ukraine is bad for business.
     
  7. --am--

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    Путин победил еще тогда. Цели СВО были достигнуты во время переговоров в Стамбуле - разоружение Киева, независимость Донбасса, внеблоковый статус Украины. В обмен уход из под Киева. И руинцы согласись. Но последовал окрик хозяина - воевать до последнего украинца и хохлы послушно пошли воевать за США и Британию. Теперь цель СВО - уничтожить всех кто хочет воевать за нацистский антинародный режим Зеленского. И неважно где их уничтожать - чем стабильнее фронт, тем меньше будет разрушений, которые потребуется восстанавливать после победы. Когда у руины кончаться желающие воевать, придет очередь поляков и румын. Они поедут как наемники и будут также перемолоты в мясных штурмах, потому что США и Британия никогда не начнут войну за своих рабов - рабы нужны, чтобы они умирали за хозяев, а не хозяева за рабов.
    А дальше возникает вопрос - куда девать армию номер один в мире с опытом передовых технологий по уничтожению войск стандарта НАТО. Можно конечно по домам и ждать пока Запад вырастит еще дураков на убой - немцев там или французов или албанцев или еще кого. А можно поступить просто и прагматично.
     
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    Ваши деньги нарисованные. Ни за какие триллионы долларов вы не можете построить завод по производству снарядов 155 мм производительностью 10 млн снарядов в год. Вы не можете даже построить танковый завод. Вы не производите танки уже очень давно. Деньги не решают ничего в вопросах военной экономики - нужны только реальные заводы и ресурсы. А у вас их нет - вы давно все производства перевели в Китай.
     
  9. -frog-

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    LOL - You've retreated from north of Kiev, cause you were beaten in field.
    You've lost an entire brigade of your special forces there, and the other one was decimated.
    Not to mention thousands of pieces of armor lost in the northern front.
    You were badly beaten there, and had to retreat.
    The aftermath (massacres like the one in Bucha) made the Ukrainians even more willing to fight your Nazi hordes.

    As for propaganda - It's obvious that both sides feed their citizens with a lot of crap, still Ukrainians seem to be doing better at that.
    As for how much of this gets to us here - well, we're allies so obviously the "official factors" don't have a choice. Still - we've got access to independent sources, and those who are able to think for themselves see things that the "official sources" fail to notice - like e.g. the failure of the Ukrainian summer offensive, or the gradual advances of RuZZia in the southeast (it seems to be paying with hectolitres of blood, and millions worth of equipment for every acre captured).
     
  10. --am--

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    Рагуля из телика кормят дерьмом и он послушно отрыгивает его на нас. Если наши войска под Киевом разбили - где же фотки этих тысяч бронетанковых корпусов и тысячи пленных? Ушли именно по приказу и а режим Зеленского превратился в недоговороспособный и поэтому теперь у него нет даже шанса сдаться на условиях сохранения своего недогосударства
     
  11. -frog-

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    Blah, blah, blah... you've just lost the equivalent of 3 full divisions trying to encircle Avdiivka.
    I guess this was also "planned", and "ordered".

    Not to mention the recently surfaced video of your "heroes" executing two Ukrainian POWs.
    Must be CGI hoax I guess?

    Russia is a lost case.
     
  12. --am--

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    Нет фоток - значит рагулю опять накормили дерьмом.
     
  13. OldUncles

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    And we Americans are betting that Russians will "sour of a protracted war and withdraw financial support." But you're right -- both the USA and the lesser Euro powers like UK, Germany, etc. -- are engaged in a mighty struggle. But what is new? This stuff is what I've been dealing with from the 1970s. I don't like it, but with age and experience I am more objective. With age and experience, the sharp edges of opinion lessen.

    Young people argue and fight.
     
  14. --am--

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    Зачем нам отказываться?

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    Промышленность прет вверх и достигла уровня РСФСР. Нефть дорожает, газ покупают. АЭС строятся ударными темпами, а Вестингауз развалился уже. Мечта о дешевой зеленой энергетики оказалась фейком. Зеленая энергетика дороже (и намного) обычной. Поэтому промышленность Европы будет падать и она будет нищать. США соответственно тоже не дополучать прибыли с нее.
     
  15. -frog-

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    LOL
    Posmotri:
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    The red line is the cumulative industry output (with visible drops in 2008 and at the beginning of the pandemic - we've more than recovered from that in 2021 and in 2021 and it's now over 600%).
    The blue line is the employment figure in the second sector of economy (industry) - 90% of those employed in our industry in 1990 now manufacture 6 times the number of products.

    Your post proves my point - we made progress, when you were running in circles.
     
  16. OldUncles

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    I think the Polish economy and production has done pretty well recently, but Russian increases in production will almost always be stronger than those in the EU. The EU and the West deindustrialized much more than many ex-Soviet nations, IMHO. Germany is the "industrial powerhouse" of Western Europe, but they are now scrambling to produce anything. Poland seems to be doing well -- you can send a bunch of KRABs and fighters to Ukraine, but is that sustainable?
     
  17. -frog-

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    That's your opinion.
    As much as it is "instinctive" it is not supported by any data - just to the contrary, the German industrial output only shrunk in 2008-2010 and 2019-2022 periods, with continuous rises recorded throughout the remaining period.
    As for EU - just watch the graph for Poland - we've joined the EU in the middle thereof (May 2004). Did you notice:
    a. stagnation
    b. rapid decrease
    or
    c. rapid increase

    in 2005 and afterwards?
     
  18. OldUncles

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    You know I am a poor student.
     
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