Which Japanese Bomber to add? Poll!

Discussion in 'Bombers' started by HoHun, Nov 23, 2005.

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Which Japanese Bomber to add? Multiple Votes!

Poll closed Dec 31, 2005.
  1. B6N Jill (single-engine torpedo bomber)

    15 vote(s)
    35.7%
  2. D4Y Judy (single-engine dive bomber)

    10 vote(s)
    23.8%
  3. G3M Nell (twin-engine level bomber)

    5 vote(s)
    11.9%
  4. P1Y Frances (twin-engine level bomber)

    7 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. Ki-21 Sally (twin-engine level bomber)

    11 vote(s)
    26.2%
  6. Ki-49 Helen (twin-engine level bomber)

    4 vote(s)
    9.5%
  7. Ki-67 Peggy (twin-engine level bomber)

    13 vote(s)
    31.0%
  8. G5N Liz (four-engine level bomber, "what if" plane)

    17 vote(s)
    40.5%
  9. H8K Emily (four-engine level bomber, flying boat)

    9 vote(s)
    21.4%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi everyone,

    The following bombers were nominated in the first Japanese Bomber thread for possible inclusion in the game. Have a close look at the list with preliminary, inaccurate data on performance and introduction dates, then vote in the poll.

    You can vote for as many bombers as you like, but I can't promise that even one will be included :) That's just a lobbying poll!

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)

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    THE LIST
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    Singles (CV capable):

    B6N (ca. 1944/6) - Jill 12, 276 mph, 20000 ft in 11.4 min, 1 x 800 or 6 x 100 or 1 x torpedo, 1 x 7.7 mm fixed + 2 x 7.7 mm flexible

    D4Y - Judy 11, 339 mph, 20000 ft in 10.2 min, 1 x 500 kg or 1 x 250 kg, 2 x 7.7 mm fixed + 1 x 7.7 mm flexible

    Twins:

    G3M (G3M1: 1935) - Nell 23, 262 mph, 20000 ft in 13.5 min, 1 x 800 kg or 1 x 500 kg or 2 x 250 kg or 12 x 30 kg or 1 x torpedo, 4 x 7.7 mm + 1 x 20 mm flexible

    P1Y - Frances 11, 355 mph, 20000 ft in 11.5 min, 1 x 800 kg or 2 x 500 kg, 2 x 20 mm flexible

    Ki-21 (Ki-21-II: 1940) - Sally 2, 291 mph, 20000 ft in 12.6 min, 2 x 500 kg or 4 x 250 kg or 9 x 100 kg or 16 x 50 kg, 4 x 7.9 mm + 1 x 12.7 mm flexible

    Ki-49 (1942/2) - Helen 2, 305 mph, 20000 ft in 15.2 min, 2 x 500 kg or 4 x 250 kg or 6 x 100 kg or 9 x 50 kg, 3 x 7.9 mm + 1 x 12.7 mm + 1 x 20 mm flexible

    Ki-67 (ca. 1944/10) - Peggy 1, 348 mph, 20000 ft in 12.7 min, 2 x 800 kg, armament unknown

    Quadruples:

    G5N (first flight: 1941) - Liz 11, 270 mph, 20000 ft in 20.4 min, 4 x 800 or 2 x 1500 or 12 x 250 kg, armament unknown

    H8K (H8K2: 1943) - Emily 22, 296 mph, 20000 ft in 18 min, 2 x 800 or 8 x 250 or 16 x 60 kg, 4 x 7.7 mm + 3 x 20 mm flexible
     
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  2. vasco

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    Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), late production, had 3x12,7mm (one each in in nose and port and starboard beam positions), twin 12,7mm machine-guns in the tail turret and 1x20mm Ho-5 cannon in dorsal turret, according to my source.

    G5N had 2x20mm cannons "type 99 LNDEKE 1" and 3x7,7-mm machine-guns "type 97" according to www.airwar.ru. dunno location
     
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  3. gryphon

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    emily would be most benificial i think, buthow to implament the the flying boat?
    emilky is way more impressive then gm4 and had good alot of ottos like the catalennas did. would be gold b17 finaly maby even pe8
     
  4. HoHun

    HoHun FH Beta Tester

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    Hi Gryphon,

    >emily would be most benificial i think, buthow to implament the the flying boat?

    Maybe it will be impossible :-/

    However, some people suggested the H8K, so I added it to the poll anyway.

    Regards,

    Henning (HoHun)
     
  5. gryphon

    gryphon Well-Known Member

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    :) i was playing "heros of pacific"(arcady but fun xbox pto game) other day and saw the emilie and thought gold needs that :) but then i thought :( its flying boat and i see no alspalt wheels :((((((((((
    still of all choices i voted emily. its what gold most needs.
     
  6. airfax

    airfax Well-Known Member

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    I did some googeling :)

    IMO if jap bombers are to be added, it should be either small or big type. Betty handles the medium size bomber in this respect quite well.

    So I vote for either G5N (and I know, only six made, but maybe developers could
    use the "Pe-8" explanation on this one too. Could it be morphed fron b-24?
    )
    Or B6N, which has better payload than D4Y. (Easier to do, I believe. Hasn't Babek suggested this earlier?)

    About guns on G5N:3x7,7 (up/nose/under) ans 2x20 (tail like betty?)
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc_e/bww2/g5n.html

    [​IMG]
     
  7. -exec-

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    if you ignored "Pe-8" explanations, then "goan..."
     
  8. airfax

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    Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no problem for adding Pe-8 to game. AFAIR Pe-8 was a sort of "prize" (didn't know any better word, sorry) for all the hard work for him who has made many other planes (and I don't remember his name, sorry again) so it's really ok with me.

    What I ment was that there's been mentioned few times the amount of planes that has had to leave the production line in the first place, a sufficient number for implementation into FHWB. Pe-8 didn't met this number, right? That's why I mentioned it. I know that six (6) isn't as many as needed to meet the production demand (what was it,1000?) but I've asked imanigatory planes before, remember? :D

    Peace, ou thou middle/far eastian moderator

    (goan....pah, I laugh to your "a-place-that-is-far,far-away-from-my-place"ian threats...)
     
  9. -kum--

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    In 1943 Pe-8 is't outstanding plane. B-24 is better to use.
     
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    But it's big and evil and wasn't made as many as normally needed for implementation. This is what ment when I use it as an example with G5N issue.
     
  11. RolandGarros

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    G5n as a bomber is bit of a fantasy plane....troop transport with some speed & 20mm ottos could be fairly cool.
     
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    Highly irrelevant, but try to enjoy the few pics.

    :)

    Link
     
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  13. howard

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    Specifications G5N "Liz"

    For those who want to know:

    Specification of the Nakajima G5N1 Shinzan

    Type:
    Four-engined, long-range, heavy bomber and transport aircraft.
    Powerplant:
    Four 1,870 hp Nakajima NK7A Mamoru (Protector) 17 fourteen-cylinder, two-row, radial, air-cooled engines each driving a four-blade Hamilton type constant-speed airscrew.
    Performance:
    Maximum speed: 420 km/h at 4,100 m. Service ceiling: 7,450 m. Range: 4,260 km.
    Dimensions:
    Wingspan: 42.14 m. Length: 31.02 m.
    Weights:
    Loaded weight: 32,167 kg.
    Armament:
    Two 20 mm cannons and four machine-guns in the nose, above power-operated turret and below fuselage, in staggered waist positions and in extreme tail. An internal bomb bay for a bombload of 4,000 kg.
     
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  15. -exec-

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    imho japan urges in:
    attacker (toryu?)
    interceptor (shiden?)
     
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  16. vasco

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  17. RolandGarros

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    How about a gunless Ki.43 with a 500kg bomb for the IJAAF late war set?
     
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    no need special plane for that ;)
     
  20. Natedo

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    First...


    Where the HEINKELL 111? Is dont finished? I saw some pics about this FH project and whaiting for this at now!

    I think to introduce He111 first.. we acclaim for it some times.. plz FH team!!