Was really p38 a devil for germans?

That's because it was the last thing most of the the German and Japanese pilots said.

 

This is what says my source:

1 Lightning fell down 1 km NW of Nish, the plane and pilot burned down;
1 Lightning fell down 1 km NE of the airfield, the plane burned down, the pilot is dead;
1 Lightning fell down 8 km N of the airfield in the mountains, visual observation proved the plane burned down.

2 american pilots were buried in the territory of the airfield. 1 bailed and was captured by infantry. As noone could interrogate him, he has been sent of to the headquarters of the 17-th air army.

2 low and smoking Lightnings pulled towards Nish. Their destiny is unknown to the Russian side.

 

It was. Not a superb aircraft but could equal in a dogfight. Except here in this game of course, where a 109 wipes my Hellcat out with one single 20mm hit, and a 110 has np physics at all it just exists as a fucking spaceship, defying gravity and physical laws.

At FH if U want to use this current BS called P-38 U gotta use rudder and flaps, then it does quite well (meanwhile the 109s and 190s, needing no use of aircraft controls beside stick, will smash ur stabs and wings with one hit but nevermind)

Well in real life P-38 was a superb aircraft. Not better than the German ones, but could pay its price.

 

Well I guess there was no aircraft in WW2 which never had weird bad missions at all due to current flight and mission characteristics. All the best planes can be used the wrong way, thats not the fault of the P-38 and not the victory of German planes. German planes all fell victim to bad weather, maintaining probs or the Lightning as well, this aint mean shit.

 

Nah and I guess its that kinda stuff like the MiG-15s in Korea killed 100s of F-86s. What never did happen.

 

Some of these guys would agree:

http://www.1stfighter.org/photos/P38NoseArt-p1.html



Check this out:

http://raptor.golden.net/~dclass/devils/

 

Secrets of a P-38 Ace, John Tilly:


http://www.kilroywashere.org/003-Pages/Tilley-John/03-Harm-Tilley-story.html

 

Well I try to discuss in your league.

All american aces, that say american planes were good, are wrong. German aces are right.

 

loooooool

 

Interesting point you make here, really.

Can you find some information of what German Aces said about the P-38? It would be interesting to find out what German Aces say about their planes and how they faired with the P38.
Of further interest would be the number of P38 deployed in the European theater, what types and when. What planes the P38 encountered.

At least we know the P38 pilots' point of view, let's get the German pilots' view.

Sorry if it seemed too biased, but I had to start somewhere and aces that flew both the P38 and something else seemed a good point.

 

Don't tell airplane abilities by sayings of ww2 pilots.

We often have 1on1, or 2on2 etc situations at FH, which never existed in ww2. Well actually my english is not good enough, to discuss with you about the planes.

What I say is, FH is not ww2. But flight characteristics should be 'historic'.

 

'Never existed' is taking it a bit far, but yeah, it wasn't the norm.

 

Well , who would know more about the characteristics of the P38 in combat other than the pilots who flew them in combat and the pilots who flew against them?

In the extreme conditions of combat the pilots of P38 were able to do things outside of the specifications and guidelines of the factory and the test pilots.
(Of course this is true for any combat plane.)

How well the creators of FH have modeled the P38 to the real ones is still being discussed in other threads.

To answer the question if the P38 was "really" a twin tail devil for the Germans, I beleive the answer is a most positive YES.

Not counting the number of air to air "victories", nor the number of P38 aces, nor the number of German pilots who got victories over the P38 but the simple statements from the bomber pilots and crews who said that when the P38s showed up most times the Germans fighters withdrew.

I think that answers the question best.

 

Would you as Rotte (2 planes) of 109s attack Staffel (16-20 planes) of P38? Know what i mean?

EDIT: in FH we have 100 octan, 100% fit planes etc etc. omg, I usually only say stupid comments in internet forums.

 

I fly a P-38j that I got for X-Plane. Any you guys have X-Plane? Get a well done P-38j and try it out in that sim. Nice plane, flies like I thought it would/should. Stable, great rudders, holds its e like bright sunlight. Turns okay. Rolls okay. Very maneuverable.

 

Brain: "Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

Pinky: "Yes, but what if the chicken doesn't WANT to wear the nylons?"



Would you as a larger group of 109s attack at smaller group of P-38s in between formations of B24 or B17?

Would you attack a B24 with P38s at your back?

Know what I mean?

 

No, I don't. Explain please.

 

Most of those pilots never flew any other combat plane, so they have nothing to compare. Combined with identifying themselves with their unit and plane they flew - ALL of them ALWAYS flew the best plane in the world.
Also, having superior numerical advantage by the time the P38's went massively into action, most allied pilots seldom met enemy aircraft in even combat where they were forced to use all of their skill and planes. And they hardly ever fought against axis veterans who would push their planes to the limit.

Same as pilots of all other planes. Marseille and 109 comes to my mind instantly but I could count others for hours.

Any plane coming in swarms against the few planes Germans could send in the air after 44 were seen as was seen as lethal danger. But I don't know any case of axis pilot exclaiming that he feared P38 in even combat. Possibly you can supply me with such quotes?

,statistically, less than 10% of which were confirmed after war, and some of those confirmed were allied planes attacked by trigger happy cowboys shooting everything on sight.

And where they were supposed to attack bombers - when there was an umbrella of 20+ squadrons of fighters over buff formations? They chose the best moment and in the effect USAAF day bombing offensive was almost suspended because of losses.


You're American version of boroda.

 

Stec, P-38's in the ETO were used in the air superiority / escort role only BEFORE P-51's became available in numbers, i.e. by earily 1944 they weren't used in that role much anymore. That means during the time when they did see air combat action, the Luftwaffe was still alive and kicking, and many of its Experten were still among the living.
What's more, those superior numbers of P-38's you're talking about, never existed in the ETO. I believe there were never more than 2 air groups flying the P-38 in the ETO, and they were always spread out thin, since until the advent of the P-51, they were effectively the only Allied planes capable of escorting bomber raids into Germany. It is true, the P-38 wasn't a SUPERIOR plane ... it had a hard time dealing with the Germans 109's / 190's, but it did get the job done and your efforts to downplay it's CRUCIAL role in keeping the bombing campaign going are out of line (as are your comments about 'trigger happy cowboys').

 

I fully agree with you, P-38 WAS NOT a superior plane. Yes, it has played its appropriate role. But is was nothing in common to 109 or 190, Spitfire or P-51. Those ones could fight for the air superiority, not use it alone. Would P-38 face a situation like 110 over Britain, all would consider it a flying bullshit...

Make a wild guess: for the shitty hell americans were inventing, producing and sending P-47 and P-51 if P-38 was so beautiful in its escort fighter role? If P-38 would have been so marvellous plane, it would be much wiser solution just to increase its production, eh?

So the answer is: something was terribly wrong with P-38 in European theater. And that something was: it could not just outrun an opponent if the tables turned and 8 km altitude advantage is gone That method was good with Japanese, most planes of whom were agile, but comparably slow. In European theater P-38, having a 109 or 190 on its tail, was dead. Why we cannot read anything like that from those, who lost the game in P-38 vs 109/190? Well, because they are dead...