On the threshold of the FHL 1.62 release, let me turn back to the question of fw190 load set. Variance: Historically, the Fw190's, which have ETC-501/502/503 under-fuselage mounted bomb rack can carry 4x50kg bombs using the ER4 adapter. The same adapted was used on 109f/109g series. It is incomprehensible why we have Bf109's with 4x50kg loads and have no Fw190's with 4x50kg under-fuselage bombs at FH. Please note, that both, 190's and 109's have used the ER4 adapters to carry 4x50kg under fuselage in real life. So why we have 4x50kg on 109's and we haven't 190s' with 4x50kg? Please note, that fw190f8 version what we have carry 2x 2x50kg under each wing. The load we have 250kg + 4x50kg and 500kg + 4x50kg is the version with 2x 2x50kg under wings and 1x250kg (or 500kg) under the fuselage. None fw190 that we have in FH can carry 4x50kg using the ER4 adapter. Balance and historicity: The another problem is the balance, only hvy 109's with 4x50kg can success in ackkilling mission, while i153 or Typhone can get 8 acks for long downtime per sortie, using rockets. Fw190's can kill only 2 acks by 2 WGr. air-to-air missiles, that is totally unhistorical. Moreover, some 190's (like Fw190A-4/U1) can carry 2x250kg wing-mounted with reduced ammo (2x20mm MG151/20 only). In general, the power of 190's acting as jabo are understated at FH. Fast solution: 1. Remove WGr.21 from 190a3. 2. Add 4x50kg and 1x500kg loads for 190a3/a4/a6/a8 series. 3. Add 2x250kg loads for 190a4 series. 4. Add 8x50kg load for 190f8 plane. Long solution: Proposed changes by model name: for Fw190a3: 1. Remove WGr.21 from 190a3. 2. Add 1x500kg and 4x50kg loads for 190a3 (historically Fw190A-3/U1 model, with reduced armament, without 2x20mm MG/FF) 3. Change 1x250kg load for 190a3 (historically Fw.190A-3/U3 model, with full armament, including 2x20mm MG/FF) for Fw190a4: 1. Add under-wing 2x250kg load (historically Fw190A-4/U1 model, with reduced armament with 2x20mm MG151/20 guns only) 2. Add under-fuselage 1x250kg or 1x500kg load (historically Fw190A-4/U3 model, with reduced armament without 2x20mm MG/FF or Fw190A5/U13 or Fw190F1 or Fw190G1 model) 3. Add under-fuselage 1x250kg or 1x500kg load (historically Fw190A-4/U8 model, with reduced armament with 2x20mm MG151/20 guns only and Fw190G1 model) 4. Add under-fuselage 4x50kg load (historically Fw190A-4/U8 model, with reduced armament with 2x20mm MG151/20 guns only) for Fw190a6 and Fw190a8 series: 1. Add under-fuselage 1x250kg load (historically 190A6/U3) 2. Add under-wing 4x50kg and 1x250kg load (historically 190F3/R1 with ETC-250 and lite wings) 3. Add under-wing 4x50kg load (historically for 190A5/U17 or 190A6/U3) 4. Add 4x50kg load (historically 190A-8/U3) 5. Add 8x50kg load (historically 190A-8/U3 and 190G-8/R5) 6. Add 1x500kg (historically Fw190A5/U2 and Fw190A6/R7 and 190A8/U3) for Fw190f8: 1. Add 8x50kg load (2x 2x50kg under-wing and 4x50kg under fuselage). You can refer for http://base13.glasnet.ru/wol/fw/190-5.gif for example to see different loads for Fw190a5 series. Description for the picture is bellow: A. 4x50 kg bombs on ER-4 rack B. 1x bomb SC-250 C. 1x bomb SC-500 D. 1x bomb SC-1000 E. Additional 300 liter fuel tank F. SC-250 bomb under wing G. Two SC-50 bombs under wing H. Hanging 300 liter fuel tank under wing I. 2x MG-151 guns under wing J. MK-108 guns under wing K. MK-103 guns under wing L. WGr.21 rocket mounting under wing Many thanks for your work. Question: Can the speed of the hvy loaded planes be decreased with the current WB flight model?
because i insisted on 109 to have 4x50 i also suggested 8x50 for 190a/u8 for rgreat, but he forgot that. also, i'd like to see 4x60 (4x50) on both shidens personally, i don't mind 1.anton-3 doesn't have dödels 2.1x500 +4x50 is unreal probably you mean 1x500 or 4x50? 3.is 2x250 balanced by red side? it's only available for p-38f that is not a fighter adequate to würger. actually it is 110c-4|f-1 who's intended to carry 2x250, and zerstörer balances p-38f well. 4.i aggree i don't see significant difference from "fast solution" what is "change"? DM of a-3/u3 is quite different from DM of a-3/u1 and a-3/u8 note: afair a-3/u1 existed in one sample only 1.hmm... 110/38? 2./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 3.i aggree 4.i aggree 1./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 2.f3 is /u3 armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 3./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 4./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 5./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 6./u3 is armoured attacker. don't confuse it with jabos /u1 and /u8 1.i aggree no. it's the matter of another aircraft slot with different speed limit. weight affects only acceleration.
my suggestion: Code: variant # nose roots consoles centre wings Fw 190A-3 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M (2x 60) Fw 190A-3/U8 2 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M (2x 60) 4x SC50 Fw 190A-3/U8 3 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 Fw 190A-3 (licht jager) 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-4 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M Fw 190A-4 (Licht Jäger) 2 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-4/R6 3 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190A-4/U8 (Fw 190G-1) 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M 4x SC50 Fw 190A-4/U8 (Fw 190G-1) 5 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190A-4/U8 (Fw 190G-1) 6 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 Fw 190A-4/U8 (Fw 190G-1) 7 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190A-6 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) Fw 190A-6 (Licht Jäger) 2 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-6/R2 Pulkzerstörer 3 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190A-6/R6 Pulkzerstörer 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190G-3 5 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-3 6 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-3 7 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-3 8 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190A-8 1 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) Fw 190A-8 (Licht Jäger) 2 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-8/R2 Pulkzerstörer 3 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190A-8/R6 Pulkzerstörer 4 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190G-8 5 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-8 6 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-8 7 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-8 8 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190A-8/R8 Sturmbock 1 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190F-8 1 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 2 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 3 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 4 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190F-8/Pb1 5 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x 6x R4M
Many thanks for your reply Exec! Yes, I agree that more historical (important!) bomb loads for Reds will be nice 4x50kg bombs as well, especially for popular planes. But now I started thread about 190?s cause Golds are suffering from load variance absence. The second aspect is if I am gong to go kill acks I?ll take some red jabo with rockets only (like i153 or Typhone). Fw190A3: Yes, I mean it can carry 4x50kg or 1x250kg or 1x500kg. Do you agree with this loads? Are you consider the DM of 190a-3 base model and 190a-3/u1, 190a-3/u8 (btw, what is that? I have no find such model) are too different to be implemented in 1 model? All planes are 190A3 based model and have under-fuselage racks. A3-based jabos don't have any extra strengthening, AFAIK. Fw190A4: I agree, but there is not need to realise all Fw 190A-4/U1 (wing-mounted), U3 (afterward FW.190F-1) and U8. IMHO the most difference between are the racks positions. Do we has it at damage model? I have no seen something like ?ETC501 rack was damaged by 20mm bullet? I guess, that it can be possible to implement only A-4/U8 with 4x50kg or 1x250kg or 1x500kg or 2x250kg (like U1). Can you agree about adding it to the A4 load? Concerning balance: Reds have: P-38F with 2x1000lb in RPS from March 1942 Hurricane IIC with 2x500lb in RPS from June 1941 Typhoon 1B with 2x500lb or 2x1000lb in RPS from July 1942 Golds have: Fw 190A-3 RPS in RPS July 1942. Fw 190A-4 with possible 2x250kg can start according to RPS only in January 1943. So you can see that now only slow Bf-110c4/Bf-110f2 with 2x250kg or 2x500kg are vs Typhone (2x1000lb), P38F (2x1000lb) and Hurri2 (2x500lb). Fw 190A-4 can't even recover the balance, cause Reds anyway have same speed Typhone till Fw 190A-4 appears in RPS. Fw190A6 and Fw190A8: I agree concerning the 190A8/U3. It?s my mistake. But the FW-190A-8/U1 is two-seater training aircraft, started 23 Jun 1944. That?s not jabo! And I have no any information about FW-190A-8/U8. What is that? What about 190A5/U3 (FW190F-2), 190A5/U17, 190A-6/U3 and 190A-8/U11? I guess, that at least 190A-6/U3 (and A-8/U11) should be added with (2x250kg plus 1x500kg) and (2x250kg plus 2x 2x50kg (under wing)) Don?t forget the ETC-501 can carry ER4 with 4x50kg. You can refer to http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html Fw190F8: Thanks for support!
Thank you for your suggestion, Exec! I need some time to investigate. But I have one small question: Are you sure, the adding of the new plane is the better idea, than adding some new loads?
Sounds cool to me. Especially since the Fw190f is modled as a fighter here, It would be nice to have alot more of a fine tuning option of a2g loadout, as the fw190 was also in torpedo groups, but I dont expect to find a torpedo dropping 190 here.j But it would be nice.......would also be nice to have TA152.....but thats another long shot GL on 1.62, Im looking forward to checking out the "brewster".
no torpedoes. A-5/U17 and /U14 haven't seen usage. A-3/U1 seen only 1 sample. it's not serial A-3 1x250 or 4x50 ok. 8x50 or 1x250 or 2x250 or 1x500 or 2xgr21 or minus mgff, ok. you forgot Me 110C-4 and Me 110F-1 110 is a good strike plane, not worse than p-38. ? i think that developers can limit all fighter-bombers of sides to 500kg ? 2x250+4x50 sounds strange. ? F-2 is armoured with different DM. ? /U17: definitely you dream about P-38 with torps. imho two torps. just for balance of high-velocity torp planes. i'm just discussing, not supporting.
immediatedly after P-51H, P-47N-2 (and even P-47N-27), Yak-9UT, Yak-3P, Spitfire 22, and Tempest II, boy. 45 is frozen, remember that. only japanese can pretend to have 45th crafts like J2M5, Ki-100-I, Ki-100-II, Ki-84-I/23, Ki-67, Ki-102. well, probably only J2M5/33 and Ki-100-I-Otsu.
Are you saying these are in development Ive heard of a few british modifeid U.S. planes that sounded like they would be awesome, but I prefer not to discuss them It might give moderators Ideas.
exec, dunno if 190 with torps were used, also dunno if p38 with torps were used. But p38J with 2! torpedoes is changing ballance a bit
Exec, please find my offer on new loads for 190's familiy: Code: variant # nose roots consoles centre wings Fw 190A-3 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M (2x 60) Fw 190A-3/U1 2 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 Fw 190A-3/U1 3 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 Fw 190A-3/U1 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 Fw 190A-3/U3 5 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M (2x 60) 1x SC250 Fw 190A-3/U7 (licht jager) 6 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Note: A-3/U1 have under-fuselage ETC-501, A-3/U3 have have under-fuselage ETC-250. Concering U1 I have no information about 1 airplane build, the are another one: "the "FW-190A-3/U1" featured a factory upgrade kit with a bomb rack for use a fighter-bomber ("Jagd-Bomber" or "Jabo")" Fw 190A-4 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M Fw 190A-4/U1 2 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x SC250 Fw 190A-4/U1 3 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190A-4/U3 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 Fw 190A-4/U3 5 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 Fw 190A-4/R6 6 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG FF/M 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190A-4 (Licht Jager) 7 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Note: A-4/U1 have 2 under-wing ETC-501 racks; A-4/U3 have 1 under-fuselage ETC-501 rack; Fw 190A-4/U8 is Fighter-bomber (long range) the prototype for G-1, it carry 1x500kg (under-fuselage ETC-501) and 2 droptanks (under wings), IMHO not need to be implemented. Fw 190A-6 1 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) Fw 190A-6 (Licht Jager) 2 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-6/R2 Pulkzerstorer 3 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190A-6/R6 Pulkzerstorer 4 2x MG 17 (2x 1000) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190A-6/U3 5 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x SC250 Fw 190G-3 6 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190G-3/R5 7 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Note: A-4/U3 have 2 under-wing ETC-250 racks and 1 under-fuselage ETC-501 rack. It can be nice to add F-3/R1 or G3 with 1x250(500kg) kg + 4x50kg loads, but we have only 7 slots availiable. Fw 190A-8 1 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) Fw 190A-8 (Licht Jager) 2 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) Fw 190A-8/R2 Pulkzerstorer 3 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190A-8/R6 Pulkzerstorer 4 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 140) 2x W.Fr.Gr.21 Fw 190G-8/R5 5 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-8/R5 6 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190G-8 7 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190A-8/R8 Sturmbock 1 2x MG 151/20 (2x 250) 2x MK 108 (2x 55) Fw 190F-8 1 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 2 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 3 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x 2x SC50 Fw 190F-8 4 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 4x SC50 2x SC250 Fw 190F-8 5 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC250 2x SC250 Fw 190F-8 6 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 1x SC500 2x SC250 Fw 190F-8/Pb1 7 2x MG 131 (2x 475) 2x MG 151/20 (2x 200) 2x 6x R4M BTW I had found info about 8x50kg under wings of 190F. Seems like it can carry 8x50kg under wings and 500kg under fuselage. Do someone have an picture with 8 x 50kg bombs under wings of Fw190? Or some info about exact number of bombs, which can be connected to 1x ETC-50 rack?
could you rewrite that without /U3 ? because /U3 is Friedrich an armoured attacker (A-4/U3 = F-1; A-5/U3 = F-2) i say this third time, mixer. A-3/U1 only one plane existed, afaik. i mean "one exemplar". as for central 4x50 with 2x250 under consoles, i think that it is technically possible, but practically useless, since 250kg alone under the one wing creates a strong torque. irl pilots dropped 2x250 in salvo to avoid that effect. fh-effect could be not sensible, but it doesn't mean we can play this unrealistic kit.
Установка бомбового пилона на 109E4 съедала около 25 км/ч в игре это совсем не моделируется, вопрос: Для бомбовой модификации 190 собираются делать специальный самолет или всем 190 зарежут скорость?
Таки ЕТС, почитай, все время стоит (по крайней мере на А4 и далее должно быть так), поэтому скорость и так должна быть зарезана. Или я не прав? Падение скорости от установки ЕТС 501 (были тут на форуме графики скоростей по высотам и там на сносках указано): 12 км/ч на Н=0 и 15 км/ч на Н=8км.
Ситуация такая. Факт 1. Скорости 190 соответствут в точности скоростям полированого с щитками для куполов шасси и соответственно без бомбодержателя самолета. Это доказано. Факт 2. 190 быстрейший самолет и это его одна из важнейших особенностей. Отбор 15км/ч у него сделает этот самолет крайне уязвимым. Факт 3. Скорость Хелкета ни когда не была его сильной стороной, его все равно кто угодно догонит, чуть быстрее, чуть дольше это не важно, почти . Самое главное, еще требуется выяснить, указанная скорость на F6F и P47 была получена с или без пилонов.
